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Mismagius as well as Belleba Brycen has just been banned in the standard format starting August 28 and from Japan"s standard format on September 1st.

 

These are apparently the reasons.

 

Control decks and mill decks (strategies that try to discard all the cards from the opponent’s deck) have a place in the Pokémon TCG, but when they become too powerful, the play environment becomes less enjoyable. Bellelba & Brycen-Man has been identified as the card that makes these decks highly effective in tournament play. In an effort to reduce the strength of control decks and mill decks, Bellelba & Brycen-Man has been banned.

Hand destruction decks can be similarly unenjoyable to play against when they consistently achieve their goal. With the addition of Crobat V in Sword & Shield—Darkness Ablaze, there are some hand destruction combos with Mismagius, Dusk Stone, and Reset Stamp that can be achieved more consistently on the first or second turn of the game. In an effort to break up these combos, Mismagius has been banned.

 

Let us be honest, the only reason either of these cards were banned was because they are tech's to combat the new broken pokemon Eternatus.

Bellelba & Bryceman reduces the bench size and takes away the power of Eternatus. Mismagius allows you to be down a prize card and activate Karate belt. Both of these are viable strategies to combat the power of Eternatus.

Sorry, but I feel this is a blatant money move. To keep demand high, and their chase attacker viable, they had to ban these cards, both of which were not having a crushing impact on game play. ADP is busted in expanded, but no ban, yet these fringe cards get banned... bogus.

Please explain how Mismagius is broken. In standard it hasn't made much of an impact. It was clutch in Naganadel and Guzzlord, but this was never a significant deck. Standard does not have the capability to pull off the combos that Mismagius was part of in expanded.

Yes, I will concede to the fact that Bellelba and Bryceman is broken, but cincinno mill has been around for a while, and no bans UNTIL Eternatus is released.... hmmmmm a little fishy.

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R8Spike

I get what your saying, but I also think that B&B needed a ban, but better late than never. some ******** decks use agro mill dragointe- as in, get pokemon ko'ed, use lance prisim to get your dragonites out (the abiltity is tapu lele gx'es but can be used every turn) and you can mill on average, 4.5 cards a turn(3 or 6) with luteint surge and b&b. that's scary. better than Durant. the missmagus ban can be replaced by reset stamp, as we got better have hand disruption in marnie,  and missmagius stay. also trevinor(expanded) is much more consistent then this little combo and also needs a ban, probably scoop up net and mitotic.

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9 hours ago, Ash101416744 said:

Mismagius as well as Belleba Brycen has just been banned in the standard format starting August 28 and from Japan"s standard format on September 1st.

 

These are apparently the reasons.

 

Control decks and mill decks (strategies that try to discard all the cards from the opponent’s deck) have a place in the Pokémon TCG, but when they become too powerful, the play environment becomes less enjoyable. Bellelba & Brycen-Man has been identified as the card that makes these decks highly effective in tournament play. In an effort to reduce the strength of control decks and mill decks, Bellelba & Brycen-Man has been banned.

Hand destruction decks can be similarly unenjoyable to play against when they consistently achieve their goal. With the addition of Crobat V in Sword & Shield—Darkness Ablaze, there are some hand destruction combos with Mismagius, Dusk Stone, and Reset Stamp that can be achieved more consistently on the first or second turn of the game. In an effort to break up these combos, Mismagius has been banned.

 

Let us be honest, the only reason either of these cards were banned was because they are tech's to combat the new broken pokemon Eternatus.

Bellelba & Bryceman reduces the bench size and takes away the power of Eternatus. Mismagius allows you to be down a prize card and activate Karate belt. Both of these are viable strategies to combat the power of Eternatus.

Sorry, but I feel this is a blatant money move. To keep demand high, and their chase attacker viable, they had to ban these cards, both of which were not having a crushing impact on game play. ADP is busted in expanded, but no ban, yet these fringe cards get banned... bogus.

Please explain how Mismagius is broken. In standard it hasn't made much of an impact. It was clutch in Naganadel and Guzzlord, but this was never a significant deck. Standard does not have the capability to pull off the combos that Mismagius was part of in expanded.

Yes, I will concede to the fact that Bellelba and Bryceman is broken, but cincinno mill has been around for a while, and no bans UNTIL Eternatus is released.... hmmmmm a little fishy.

 

Nah.

 

While this (Bellelba & Brycen-Man) ban may have been executed in an effort to not provide such an easier counter to Eternatus VMAX, that is totally a valid reason. Every single deck would run B&B as a one-of or two-of specifically to counter Eternatus, driving people away from Eternatus/making Eternatus unplayable for a while. If Pokémon had REALLY wanted to cash out on this interaction, they would have released a full-art or secret rare of Bellelba & Brycen-Man and made it really rare. People would buy more packs in hopes of getting said rare B&B card (because remember, it's in nearly every deck to counter Eternatus in the non-ban situation, ad we all know that some competitive players just HAVE to have rare and cool cards). Plus, there wasn't a Bellelba & Brycen-Man equivalent in the XY format so it clearly has no place here ;) 

 

As for Mismagius, I think TCPi saw that there might be an annoying deck able to be built around Reset Stamp Mismagius, sat down and a conference table, and decided something along the lines of: 

 

"Look. Mismagius & Reset Stamp may or may not become a viable deck. but we do know (probably from people complaining about expanded Trevenior lock) that people hate playing against hand disruption decks. And, even if Crobat V doesn't make this deck consistent enough, something else might come along in a few sets and push it over the edge, and we might even have a repeat of the Jirachi/Island Challenge Amulet fiasco at a big tournament, so why wouldn't we ban this card now just to be safe?" 

 

Then they went ahead and banned it.

 

That's my opinion anyways. :) 

 

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darkness018

What’s really funny I been playing a lot of standard lately and have not seen those two cards at all

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Ash101416744

They don't ban cards based on dominance though; they ban cards based on how entertaining they are to watch in a tournament stream. That's why they target mill and control only; they wand the format to be as fast and aggressive as possible. I personally don't think they'd even ban a tier 0 aggro deck. If it were truly the health of the format that they cared about, Welder would be here as well getting an errata to remove the draw 3.

 

Basically "yeah we know there are problems but it doesn't affect our viewership or marketing so we don't care lol." If this game were looked at by TPC/TPCi the way that Konami looks at Yu-Gi-Oh or Wizards looks at Magic, it would be a vastly different game. For Pokemon, just like the video games, it's just a marketing tool for merchandise. That's why the TCG and the video games can never reach their full potential. The TCG needs management that cares about the health of the game, and the video games would need management willing to either completely change how the entire franchise is organized or have a generation last 5-8 years for the sake of putting out the massive RPG experience the hardcore fanbase wants.

 

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