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OliverTwisting

Hi Chawky, sorry if I missed it, but I'm pretty curious how you come up with these prices (I'm asking out of interest, not skepticism!). I like digging into data when time permits, and trade values seem extremely difficult to pinpoint. There's no place to see executed trades, right? (Or is there such a magical wonderland of data?) I can think of some overly simplistic methods (average of highest bid and lowest ask), but that probably doesn't reflect the trades that are actually executed.

 

Also, big thanks for doing this! It's extraordinarily helpful!

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Chasista

For sure Chawky have some "tricks" and I can assure based in the values of this guide he has a great experience in the game and trading and although being impossible to be perfectly accurate in every single card and art and variations through short lapses of a few days that would require to be changing the values daily...

 

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(average of highest bid and lowest ask), but that probably doesn't reflect the trades that are actually executed.

 

... for the rest, we ordinary mortals, that's the way.

 

And that actually perfectly reflect the actual prices of the trades, more if you check daily and specially if a couple or more times a day and you keep them in a notebook for example to follow variations.

 

May not be always perfect or easiy but it's a way that works for most of the cards of the game.

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ChawkyV
10 hours ago, OliverTwisting said:

Hi Chawky, sorry if I missed it, but I'm pretty curious how you come up with these prices (I'm asking out of interest, not skepticism!). I like digging into data when time permits, and trade values seem extremely difficult to pinpoint. There's no place to see executed trades, right? (Or is there such a magical wonderland of data?) I can think of some overly simplistic methods (average of highest bid and lowest ask), but that probably doesn't reflect the trades that are actually executed.

 

Also, big thanks for doing this! It's extraordinarily helpful!

Well like i said in the very beginning of this guide, non of the prices is 100% accurate but its as close as it gets to the real value of each cards, and there are 2 methods than any ptcgo guide follows to set their prices which were both mentioned by @Chasista

- The average of the highest bid and lowest offer: obviously this is the main way to get an idea on prices, this works for most cards

- Personal trading experience and time spent in Public Trades: since i started ptcgo back in 2013 on my first account, I traded 90% of the time and actually played 10% of the time which gave me a lot of trading experience which helps in the case of pricing less traded cards (HGSS and BW cards for example since they're hard to price)

 

But yes its pretty much a mixture of those 2 things

Thank you both

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Bol4Killer

I would say Sword and Shield Base set is worth 0,66.
If I'm not wrong people are giving 3 SSH for a RCL.
That's crazy

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30 minutes ago, Bol4Killer said:

I would say Sword and Shield Base set is worth 0,66.
If I'm not wrong people are giving 3 SSH for a RCL.
That's crazy

That's what people are giving right now, but it's bound to stabilize eventually along with the prices of all of the RCL cards, which are all massively inflated due to how new the expansion is.

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Bol4Killer
9 minutes ago, Sakura150612 said:

That's what people are giving right now, but it's bound to stabilize eventually along with the prices of all of the RCL cards, which are all massively inflated due to how new the expansion is.


Yep, agree.
Can't wait for the stabilization so I can possibly acquire those Dragas VMaxs and Boss'. 🙏

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1 hour ago, Bol4Killer said:

I would say Sword and Shield Base set is worth 0,66.
If I'm not wrong people are giving 3 SSH for a RCL.
That's crazy

I don't think SwSh is that low yet, I've seen people offer 1 RCL for 2 Swsh or 2 for 5 tops but other than the first day or two no one offerED 3 SwSh for 1 RCL, people obviosuly still ask for 3 SwSh for their RCL which is a common thing

SwSh is generally a way better set than RCL thou, after about a month, the prices will stabilize and i'm certain SwSh will be worth more than RCL

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Chasista
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Everyone understands but I just discovered the official acronym for Rebel clash is RCL.

 

Also Forbidden light is FLI, Sword and shield SSH, Hidden fates is HIF,, Sun and moon is SUM and there's probably something in XY and B/W with other letters in 1st page, but that's all I checked for now.

 

Not an issue, just saying, I've seen right now people writing REC, RBC and RBL I think 😄

 

Edit: You wrote it perfect in the above post I just saw, so you know but it's not like that in the 1st page titles. Anyway.

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3 hours ago, Chasista said:

Everyone understands but I just discovered the official acronym for Rebel clash is RCL.

 

Also Forbidden light is FLI, Sword and shield SSH, Hidden fates is HIF,, Sun and moon is SUM and there's probably something in XY and B/W with other letters in 1st page, but that's all I checked for now

Edit: You wrote it perfect in the above post I just saw, so you know but it's not like that in the 1st page titles. Anyway.

Oh i forgot to re-edit it as i wrote that before i knew what it was, Thanks for the reminder thou

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Bol4Killer
16 hours ago, ChawkyV said:

SwSh is generally a way better set than RCL thou, after about a month, the prices will stabilize and i'm certain SwSh will be worth more than RCL


Wow, do you really think SSH is way better than RCL?
All I see as interesting and valuable in SSH is Zacian V.
Some other interesting cards (for me): Sableye V, Cramorant V, Lapras Vmax, Frosmoth and Marnie. But these were never really valuable, not even at launch.
RCL has many valuable cards since its release. And by valuable I mean over 15 packs or so.

Besides, I think the "playability" (if this word does not exist I just invented it lmao) of RCL cards are way better. So many good stuff.
I don't think RCL will ever be less valuable than SSH. I'm not a specialist though. Let's see how it goes :) 


 

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1 hour ago, Bol4Killer said:


Wow, do you really think SSH is way better than RCL?
All I see as interesting and valuable in SSH is Zacian V.
Some other interesting cards (for me): Sableye V, Cramorant V, Lapras Vmax, Frosmoth and Marnie. But these were never really valuable, not even at launch.
RCL has many valuable cards since its release. And by valuable I mean over 15 packs or so.

 

When SwSh first came out, Zacian V was 40-50 depending of version which is about the same as Dragapult Vmax, add to that Quick Ball SR and a few other cards, keep in mind thou, Dragapult Vmax is nowhere near as good as Zacian V, you will see when irl tournaments come back, that card is good but still way overhyped, meanwhile Zacian has been tearing through every standard tournament since its release and will continue to do so until it or ADP get rotated

 

As for staples, RCL does have Scoop up Net and Boss orders which along with Twin Energy, Dragapult V and Vmax are about the only good cards in it

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The_Cheezburglr

Question for the price gurus: I'm trying to complete my XY series collection - I'm missing just under 30 cards, half of which are promos, almost all of the rest are red-star non-EX cards. If I find myself with a few packs, I often go fishing for the missing cards with 1-2 SSH/RCL packs and a couple of rare/promos from SSH/SM to make the trade appear in both packs and card listings. So far nobody's biting and this is a problem I've had for a long time. Looking at your pricing guide for the XY EX Promos, I'm rather confused, as I would expect the cards I'm looking for to be less valuable.

Any suggestions? Are the cards I'm looking for rarer/more valuable than I thought? I actually posted the list of cards I'm missing here: https://forums.pokemontcg.com/topic/74910-collector-looking-for-cards/
Any tips you can give would be welcome!

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2 hours ago, The_Cheezburglr said:

Question for the price gurus: I'm trying to complete my XY series collection - I'm missing just under 30 cards, half of which are promos, almost all of the rest are red-star non-EX cards. If I find myself with a few packs, I often go fishing for the missing cards with 1-2 SSH/RCL packs and a couple of rare/promos from SSH/SM to make the trade appear in both packs and card listings. So far nobody's biting and this is a problem I've had for a long time. Looking at your pricing guide for the XY EX Promos, I'm rather confused, as I would expect the cards I'm looking for to be less valuable.

Any suggestions? Are the cards I'm looking for rarer/more valuable than I thought? I actually posted the list of cards I'm missing here: https://forums.pokemontcg.com/topic/74910-collector-looking-for-cards/
Any tips you can give would be welcome!

Well while most XY promos are fairly cheap & after taking a small look at the list you posted, i saw that most of the promos you're after are what we call Gem promos, now i don't know if you know what they are, but basically they're cards that used to be sold in the shop years ago in bundles (untradeable), but if you used Gems to buy them (which have been discontinued for years and were only available in Canada) they'd be tradeable, my point is that most of them are ridiculously expensive, ranging from 50ish packs all the way to 20+ Tropical Beachs (which is used as currency for very expensive cards, each Tropical Beach is around 500-600 standard packs), so yeah, unless you offer a ridiculous amount, you ahve no chance of getting these

Of course there are still  a few non Gem promos on that list and most of those are between 0.25-2

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2 hours ago, ChawkyV said:

Well while most XY promos are fairly cheap & after taking a small look at the list you posted, i saw that most of the promos you're after are what we call Gem promos, now i don't know if you know what they are, but basically they're cards that used to be sold in the shop years ago in bundles (untradeable), but if you used Gems to buy them (which have been discontinued for years and were only available in Canada) they'd be tradeable, my point is that most of them are ridiculously expensive, ranging from 50ish packs all the way to 20+ Tropical Beachs (which is used as currency for very expensive cards, each Tropical Beach is around 500-600 standard packs), so yeah, unless you offer a ridiculous amount, you ahve no chance of getting these

Of course there are still  a few non Gem promos on that list and most of those are between 0.25-2

Sounds like I just have to keep hoping there are people out there willing to make generous trades! 

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8 hours ago, The_Cheezburglr said:

Sounds like I just have to keep hoping there are people out there willing to make generous trades! 

For Gem Promos ? no way

Only way you're gonna get those is by seriously overpaying ... best of luck

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8 hours ago, ChawkyV said:

For Gem Promos ? no way

Only way you're gonna get those is by seriously overpaying ... best of luck

You're probably right, I'll probably never complete my collection - especially since I'm not willing to throw hundreds or thousands of Euros at the problem. I'm too casual a collector for that.

 

However, I'm frequently pleasantly surprised by how many people will offer a generous trade because they want a specific card more than they want to keep the card they're offering. Without that generosity (or perhaps more accurately that variance in opinion regarding the value of a card), my collection would be much smaller.

 

While I appreciate the value of a price guide, particularly because people may not know how rare/valuable cards they're offering are, I'm glad people are still free to choose their own prices - even if that means seeing lots of trades where super common cards are being offered in trades for super rare ones.

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Durabelo

Can we have the Gameplays price guide?

I haven't played this game for a while, so i think my prices are out of date :/

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Sceritz

sorry for being a n00b, but pack ratios are what to what? I see 1, 75 for ******* 0, 75 for SSH. What does that mean, exactly?

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Bol4Killer

OK, let me try to explain with an example.

 

1.75 is the (estimed) value of Rebel Clash at the moment.
0.75 is the (estimed) value Sword and Shield base set at the moment.

If you need to get the ratio between 2 packs (let's say, pack A and pack B - not necessarily ******* SSH, but any packs), do the following:
(Value of pack B ) / (Value of pack A) = how many packs A are equivalent to 1 pack B (or the ratio PACK A: PACK B )

In the case above let's consider A = SSH = 0.75 and B = ************** I wanna know how many SSH for one RCL.
So we have:
1.75 / 0.75 = 2.33 SSH packs for 1 RCL pack (ratio of 2.33:1)
 

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OK, let me try to explain with an example. (I'm posting again since I got *** I don't know why)

 

1.75 is the (estimed) value of Rebel Clash at the moment.
0.75 is the (estimed) value Sword and Shield base set at the moment.

If you need to get the ratio between 2 packs (let's say, pack A and pack B - not necessarily Rebel Clash and Sword and Shield, but any packs), do the following:
(Value of pack B ) / (Value of pack A) = how many packs A are equivalent to 1 pack B (or the ratio PACK A: PACK B )

In the case above let's consider A = Sword and Shield = 0.75 and B = Rebel Clash = 1.75 and I wanna know how many SSH for one RCL.
So we have:
1.75/0.75= 2.33 SSH packs for 1 RCL pack (ratio of 2.33:1)
 

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Hey ChawkyV :) very appreciative for the thread as it has helped me a bit in coming back to the game to orient myself with prices. However, having been trying to get all the GXs from the many many sets I have missed to reach completion I can say that a fair few of your GX prices are a bit off, as I have been unable to buy a few of them after many tries at the prices you put them at.

 

In particular, there are a few RR GXs that you have put at "1", like Venomoth and Ampharos GX for example, that I have found can no longer be bought at that price (at least I have not been able to). I would suggest many of these such cards would be better placed at 1.5 (although it would be much easier for me if they were really 1, lol). 

 

Also Greninja and Zoroark GX, I think it may be an error on your part but it is definitely not 1 value (or at least no longer). I feel it should be 2 (and FA etc. also underpriced) as I do not think it would be possible to buy on public for 1 or even with a 1.25 pack - indeed I have tried and it is not. The buy price would probably be around a Rebel Clash pack (sell price probably higher).

 

 

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20 hours ago, Bol4Killer said:

OK, let me try to explain with an example. (I'm posting again since I got *** I don't know why)

 

1.75 is the (estimed) value of Rebel Clash at the moment.
0.75 is the (estimed) value Sword and Shield base set at the moment.

If you need to get the ratio between 2 packs (let's say, pack A and pack B - not necessarily Rebel Clash and Sword and Shield, but any packs), do the following:
(Value of pack B ) / (Value of pack A) = how many packs A are equivalent to 1 pack B (or the ratio PACK A: PACK B )

In the case above let's consider A = Sword and Shield = 0.75 and B = Rebel Clash = 1.75 and I wanna know how many SSH for one RCL.
So we have:
1.75/0.75= 2.33 SSH packs for 1 RCL pack (ratio of 2.33:1)
 

Perhaps a stupid question, but why is the value of RCL not 1? Wouldn't it make so much more sense to use the newest expansion as a baseline for price instead of ... whatever it is that's actually being used?

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1 hour ago, The_Cheezburglr said:

Perhaps a stupid question, but why is the value of RCL not 1? Wouldn't it make so much more sense to use the newest expansion as a baseline for price instead of ... whatever it is that's actually being used?

 

I think that's because the set is pretty new and unstabble, which means price changes quite often. 
It's much easier to update the price of the new set downwards (and a few other stuff along) than keeping the price of the new set always 1 and often updating everything upwards.
Then when stabilization happens, the RCL price might be set as 1 and everything else adjusted.

I'm not sure but I think that's it. The topic creator could answer this better.

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ChawkyV
On 5/12/2020 at 8:30 PM, Sceritz said:

sorry for being a n00b, but pack ratios are what to what? I see 1, 75 for ******* 0, 75 for SSH. What does that mean, exactly?

 

Whiie the 1 standard value is used for the card prices, the pack ratios are used to value what the pack is worth compared to that standard 1

For example, to get a card valued at 4 standard, you'll have to pay 4 Team Up (valued at 1), OR 8 Ultra Prism (valued at 0,5), Or 2 Rebel Clash (***** and 1 Ultra Prism (0,5) [1,75 + 1,75 + 0,5 = 4] 

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Also Bol4Killer already explained it perfectly as well

Both card prices and pack ratios are continuously changing and i will try to keep them updated as much as possible

 

6 hours ago, The_Cheezburglr said:

Perhaps a stupid question, but why is the value of RCL not 1? Wouldn't it make so much more sense to use the newest expansion as a baseline for price instead of ... whatever it is that's actually being used?

 

That would make sense, but then the prices of every card will have to be changed to match the new set, if haven't you already noticed for the first 2 weeks or so the new set wil lalways be overpriced, people offering cards usually worth 3-4 packs for 1 packs of the new set is pretty common, but when time passes the value will flunctuate (just look at Sword & Shield now), so instead of changing every value to match the new set (which will last for only 2 weeks until prices settle) i instead opted to use the more lasting method of changing the pack ratio instead

 

On 5/12/2020 at 3:41 PM, Durabelo said:

Can we have the Gameplays price guide?

I haven't played this game for a while, so i think my prices are out of date 😕

 

If i'm being honest, Gameplay items are really really hard to price, they're either cheap 0.5-1 stuff or +1000 Gem stuff, and the main method to price them is to use the Publuc trade section which they're not always being offered in

I will eventually try to add them to this guide, but the prices may not always be accurate

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9 hours ago, matthew69 said:

Hey ChawkyV :) very appreciative for the thread as it has helped me a bit in coming back to the game to orient myself with prices. However, having been trying to get all the GXs from the many many sets I have missed to reach completion I can say that a fair few of your GX prices are a bit off, as I have been unable to buy a few of them after many tries at the prices you put them at.

 

In particular, there are a few RR GXs that you have put at "1", like Venomoth and Ampharos GX for example, that I have found can no longer be bought at that price (at least I have not been able to). I would suggest many of these such cards would be better placed at 1.5 (although it would be much easier for me if they were really 1, lol). 

 

Also Greninja and Zoroark GX, I think it may be an error on your part but it is definitely not 1 value (or at least no longer). I feel it should be 2 (and FA etc. also underpriced) as I do not think it would be possible to buy on public for 1 or even with a 1.25 pack - indeed I have tried and it is not. The buy price would probably be around a Rebel Clash pack (sell price probably higher).

 

 

Well welcome back first for all, you have always been one of the pillars of trading in PTCGO for years

Yes, there have been a LOT and i mean a LOT of GX cards printed over the last few years, and yes some prices might be off due to being unable to check the trades for each individual cards as often as possible OR due to those cards being offered for that value on the days i check them

RR GXs in particular are NOT very present in the public trade, so the prices might rise and fall on a regular basis as people always don't like trading them for that low

I agree, Greninja & Zoroark GX is a great underpriced card but i have actually seen people ask for 1 pack for it regularly, i will check again and update if possible, it could have risen after the recent New set reveals (Dark support)

 

Thank for your interest

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