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Sometimes using a post to respond to another post is overkill.  At least, that is why we can Upvote, Downvote, or Like comments on this message board.  I would like to see one more "Reaction" allowed: "Huh?".  Just for the sake of consistent visualization, I'm going to propose it as a yellow, filled in circle with a white question mark inscribed, but I know I don't know webdesign so there could easily be a better icon.  Same for what to call it; "Huh?" just seemed nice and short.

 

There are times I wonder if my comments are down voted less because I said something people disagree with and more because it just didn't make any sense to them.  Probably not but I know I sometimes debate whether to comment in a thread because I'm not sure what someone meant, and having to post just for that can be really awkward (usually because everyone else seems to "get" it).  Finally, it might be nice if such a response was permitted to Moderator comments as well.  I know users cannot see who clicked a response to their comment, but especially if moderators can, this provides a nice bit of feedback without looking or sounding antagonistic.  You could even leave the "Response" invisible to everyone else, if that was a concern; just the moderator and the confused person need to know. ;)

 

So... yeah, simple little option to streamline board discussions.  Please duly consider it.

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If I was Admin of these forums, I would eliminate the "Upvotes" and "Downvotes" entirely.

 

Of the 3 current choices, I would leave the "Like" option (heart symbol).  With this simple Like button, it would still encourage good ideas, wisdom, humor, helpful tips, and positive recognition.  That's all we really need.

 

As it stands now, especially after the new forum software, this Reputation System has become a negative influence, and even a platform for bullying.  ONE player upset that someone is bullying him, with repeated unnecessary downvotes, is too many.  ...And there are several.

 

It's gotten out of hand, and needs to be fixed.  Players shouldn't be having their "Reputation" slammed because of game suggestions or deck ideas.  Neither should this system be a personality contest, which has become all too common.  Do we really want players rating each other's personality or "reputation" with votes?  Personally, I think the entire Leaderboard system (rating players) should be done away with.  Posts and ideas should be counted, but not the people who made them.

 

Other suggestions (if even possible?)...

 

@Otakutron (above) has suggested maybe a question mark (or Huh?) for comments that are strange, seem odd, or need further clarification.  That might be a good idea, and even spice things up, but it should NOT affect a player's reputation rating (neither +/-).

 

Also, it might be fun to add a Smiley face, to recognize humor or something pleasant, but it also should NOT affect a player's reputation rating (neither +/-).  This would be more of a "thank you" for bringing a smile.

 

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4 hours ago, RobRatt said:

If I was Admin of these forums, I would eliminate the "Upvotes" and "Downvotes" entirely.

 

Of the 3 current choices, I would leave the "Like" option (heart symbol).  With this simple Like ********** would still encourage good ideas, wisdom, humor, helpful tips, and positive recognition.  That's all we really need.

 

As it stands now, especially after the new forum software, this Reputation System has become a negative influence, and even a platform for bullying.  ONE player upset that someone is bullying ******************************************** too many.  ...And there are several.

 

It's gotten out of hand, and needs to be fixed.  Players shouldn't be having their "Reputation" slammed because of game suggestions or deck ideas.  Neither should this system be a personality contest, which has become all too common.  Do we really want players rating each other's personality or "reputation" with votes?  Personally, I think the entire Leaderboard system (rating players) should be done away with.  Posts and ideas should be counted, but not the people who made them.

 

Other suggestions (if even possible?)...

 

@Otakutron (above) has suggested maybe a question mark (or Huh?) for comments that are strange, seem odd, or need further clarification.  That might be a good idea, and even spice things up, but it should NOT affect a player's reputation rating (neither +/-).

 

********************************************** recognize humor or something pleasant, but it also should NOT affect a player's reputation rating (neither +/-).  This would be more of a "thank you" for bringing a smile.

 

While what you say is true.. and to be honest I would agree to what you are saying, but it seems similar to what happened to the in-game chat.

 

To me, the case is similar..

 

So basically a player is getting bullied because someone is down voting him. Same happened with the in-game chats when players would spam things (toxic stuff during a match). When the chat wasn't canned, we had an option in the trainer club to restrict the chat completely on some accounts (including that of the chat rooms present in the game. That meant a player could at most only chat with friends.

 

However, because of so many complaints they did can the chat taking away the "good" part of the system that most of us cherished - respecting and being amazed with our opponents because of some kind of amazing decks or a hard battle they put up or anything, instead of just making an option for people who could choose the in-game chat to be disabled or enabled.

The developers chose to run away from the problem rather than solve it. They accepted the plea of those who couldn't handle the toxicity of the community, while most of us would just block the player or ignore it and focus on the match.

 

Now same thing is happening with the forums, toxicity is increasing and people have started taking it seriously. Complaints are rising, and I might be afraid that maybe restriction isn't the only way. Maybe restriction is only running away from the problem.

 

While removing the reputation seems a good idea to most people, what about the people who care about it and take pride in contributing to the community and forums because they see their reputation increased (seeing it as the c_r_e_d_i_t they deserve).

They might not be as enthusiastic to contribute as they were.

 

However, _i_n the end I would like to add, I don't think a player should be judged on reputation at all. _B_e it a person so helpful like Rob or a guy with negative reputation. Because sometimes, people can be toxic and can misuse the system. I wouldn't judge the OP because of his reputation, but I would judge because of the content of his post in this thread. But of course, you can't explain it to everyone so I don't know which is better. But I do hope there might be another way of solving the problem rather than "restricting".

 

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Personally speaking, I had left to worry about the reputation long before because I had already met people who would misuse the reputation system and had succeeded to what my reputation is now, even after all I had tried to contribute. I just ignore it as a useless tool and take it as a joke :D (truly sometimes its funny)

 

 

Thanks for reading :) and please bear with the formatting !

 

P.S - I tried editing, but as always censor always wins the battle.

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1 hour ago, harshu said:

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Now same thing is happening with the forums, toxicity is increasing and people have started taking it seriously. Complaints are rising, and I might be afraid that maybe restriction isn't the only way. Maybe restriction is only running away from the problem.

 

You make some very good points.  But I think anonymity is part of the problem.  Unlike the Chat system in the game (which I miss by the way), which allowed us to block certain toxic players, there's no way to stop this misuse in the forums.  I just threw out one possible solution, because I hope one is coming.  Maybe they could add a feature that listed the votes (+/-) with names (they're not real anyway), and public accountability would solve it too?

 

Even with this software, I think they have the option to keep ratings about threads and posts, rather than individual players.

 

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Personally speaking, I had left to worry about the reputation long before because I had already met people who would misuse the reputation system and had succeeded to what my reputation is now, even after all I had tried to contribute. I just ignore it as a useless tool and take it as a joke :D (truly sometimes its funny)

 

You had quite a "negative" rating there for a while.  What a shame.  I never understood why, or thought it was right.

 

I feel privileged to be the "Like" vote that zeroed you out.  The tide has turned.  :cool:

 

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2 hours ago, RobRatt said:

 

You make some very good points.  But I think anonymity is part of the problem.  Unlike the Chat system in the game (which I miss by the way), which allowed us to block certain toxic players, there's no way to stop this misuse in the forums.  I just threw out one possible solution, because I hope one is coming.  Maybe they could add a feature that listed the votes (+/-) with names (they're not real anyway), and public accountability would solve it too?

 

Public accountability might make the things better and worse at the same time. For example, a guy who down voted another guy in the midst of a debate. Now this guy has 2 options - first, the better one - block the guy, and end the issue never to resume communication or simply ignore it. Second, he would either report this guy, make separate bots/multiple accounts, try to return the favour 10 times more than what he has experienced. Same goes for the other guy when he receives the second kind of treatment, he would in return choose one of the 2 options - ultimately rising multiple accounts/bots and too many reports too handle.

 

Now, this would hurt the people who down vote a guy who trolls as they might find it easier than to start a debate and try to reason with him and waste their time.

 

However, I think moderators might find a way to deal with this. So in the end it might do more good then bad.

 

 

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I'm very torn on whether or not such "Reaction" options are a good thing or not.  The short version is somethings are worth a well-written response, and some aren't.

 

On 6/11/2019 at 7:30 PM, RobRatt said:

Players shouldn't be having their "Reputation" slammed because of game suggestions or deck ideas.

 

Some folks deceptively manipulate any system they can, and some don't.  That doesn't mean something is unsalvageable.  Possibly worth another thread is putting a time limit (or reducing it, if it already exists) for how long both good and bad Reputation last.  Getting back to the way things already are no system is perfect.  A negative reputation doesn't get you banned, does it?  Restrict what you can do?  If so, perhaps that needs to be changed as well.

 

If not, then maybe the real problem is we're reading too much into Reputations in the first place?

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12 minutes ago, Otakutron said:

 

If not, then maybe the real problem is we're reading too much into Reputations in the first place?

Honestly, I think this is it. 

 

(I was going to write a longer response, but imo this one sentence describes exactly what the problem is. There isn't much else I can add).

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As a platform designed for all ages -- including those less mature -- The Pokémon Company should not allow anything which tolerates bullying.  It's happening.  And anyone who frequents here regularly knows it.  It's unprofessional, and insensitive.

 

Yes, it may only be a few doing it.  But even one tear is too many, and yes that happens too.  Why??

 

This system needs to be revamped, or removed, IMO.  All we really need is the Like (or positive) feedback.  By allowing a system that rates "people" rather than "ideas," it's become very unwelcoming.

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That's the thing though. Can we really equate downvoting to bullying? To me that seems like a really wild interpretation.

 

The problem with saying that even 1 tear is too many is that there will ALWAYS be at least 1 tear regardless of what you do. There are some people that are just overly sensitive and will take offence at the slightest of things. You can eliminate the downvotes, but the same people will still claim to be bullied when they get (dissenting) written replies to their threads. In fact, they already do.

 

I honestly couldn't care less if the downvotes were to be removed completely. But what is that going to solve, exactly? People can still take offence at words, even in cases where no offence was meant. Some of these people will literally take offence and feel bullied by simply dissenting opinions that contain no insults or personal attacks. So what do we do then? Do we take their replies down just because someone else calls it bullying?

 

We need to be reasonable about this. Again, couldn't care less if downvotes are eliminated. But I think we should be more careful about what we label as "bullying". In a way, I feel that we're making light of what it means to be bullied if a few stupid downvotes is all it takes for a person to feel bullied.

 

At this point I feel like I'm just ranting so I'll end this here.

 

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1 hour ago, Sakura150612 said:

That's the thing though. Can we really equate downvoting to bullying? To me that seems like a really wild interpretation.

 

EXAMPLE:  When I logged in this morning, I was greeted with a flurry of Notifications, "someone has reacted to your post."  Just 11 hours ago, someone had gone out of their way to randomly "downvote" 8 of my older posts.  Eight of them were given a negative rating, all in a matter of minutes, but they were all nice, helpful replies.  They were sending a message directly to me, rather than what was written.

 

Now, for ME?  I couldn't give a flying flip, and that's probably one of the reasons why my "Reputation" (what a stupid system) has steadily risen the last couple years.  I do what I do, and speak openly, regardless of what others think of me personally.  Always have.  Always will.

 

The system -- of ranking people, rather than thoughts -- totally sucks.  And has gotten much, much worse recently.

 

One problem?  Bullying because players have a "high" reputation?  It's not hard to see.  Many who start to build their rating also start to lecture.  And think their opinion is better.  That's one of the things I strongly disagree with personally.  I don't think anyone should be intimidated, or feel like they're "less."  Everyone should be on level ground, with no "experts."  Posting a lot doesn't make anyone a better person or player than anyone else, and the current system makes that confusing.

 

Newer players?  There have been many who post something, and the wolf pack jumps them.  They get a negative start, and never return.  That's just a shame.

 

Making mistakes?  We've all been there, and all have done it.  Even if one instance deserves "negative reviews," this rating system is totally intolerant of that fact.  I really feel bad for some of these players.

 

Flat out bullying, for no reason?  Whoever they are, we all see it happen.  Everyone needs to quit making excuses.  The Pokémon Company needs to address this problem, and people trying to protect their ratings just need to let them.  Either that, or come up with better ideas.

 

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Just skimming through this thread (and a couple of others) I have the feeling you kinda blow this out of proportion a little bit.

 

Without the new notifications (which you can thankfully disable) you probably wouldn't even notice the majority of up and downvotes.

 

I'd agree with you that given the circumstances it certainly screams “personal vendetta” in your case and I can also see how someone else might even take offence in such action, but if we keep trimming ways of expression on this forum in order to keep in “child friendly” we can eventually just skip any discussion entirely, as expressing different ideas might hurt someone's feelings.

 

No links, no pictures and an seemingly random language filter is already a pain in the donkey (#synonym) to deal with.

 

People will always find a way to arbitrary boost their online ego, to harass others and to show contempt. As a father you probably have a different view on this than me, but in my opinion it's important to learn how to deal with negativity and online trolls, rather than arbitrarily trying to prevent anything that could be seen as offensive.

 

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14 minutes ago, Felidae_ said:

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As a father you probably have a different view on this than me, but in my opinion it's important to learn how to deal with negativity and online trolls, rather than arbitrarily trying to prevent anything that could be seen as offensive.

 

^^  Agreed.  And that's one of the things we should all teach our children and other players.

 

Ranking people and personalities, done by anonymous, hidden, and cowardly means?  That's another matter.

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45 minutes ago, RobRatt said:

 

One problem?  Bullying because players have a "high" reputation?  It's not hard to see.  Many who start to build their rating also start to lecture.  And think their opinion is better.  That's one of the things I strongly disagree with personally.  I don't think anyone should be intimidated, or feel like they're "less."  Everyone should be on level ground, with no "experts."  Posting a lot doesn't make anyone a better person or player than anyone else, and the current system makes that confusing.

 

Newer players?  There have been many who post something, and the wolf pack jumps them.  They get a negative start, and never return.  That's just a shame.

 

I can see what you mean, but to reiterate: how exactly does removing the rating system solve this? When a new player comes here and post yet another thread about "GX cards are OP", "X card should be banned", "the rewards are bad" or what-have-you, the wolf pack will jump them regardless of whether they have a high rep or not, regardless of whether they have a high post count or not. If there is a commonly believed opinion, people will try to defend it. Not everyone will be a jack*** about it either, a lot of people will just respecfully point out where they believe that they are wrong. But if we consider this to be a problem, simply eliminating the reputation system won't cut it, you'd have to place even more severe restrictions on discussion and then we end up with the scenario that Felidae describes:

 

31 minutes ago, Felidae_ said:

if we keep trimming ways of expression on this forum in order to keep in “child friendly” we can eventually just skip any discussion entirely, as expressing different ideas might hurt someone's feelings.

 

No links, no pictures and an seemingly random language filter is already a pain in the donkey (#synonym) to deal with.

 

I'm honestly at a bit of a loss here. I would have never thought that a couple of undeserved downvotes was such a terrible thing that it could be categorized as bullying. Again, if they were to remove downvotes I wouldn't particularly care (I don't think too many people would tbh). But if we do this because "1 person complaining is too many", I'm afraid of what this could mean for the future in terms of how far you'd have to take censorship for there to actually not be a single person complaining about "bullying".

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Sniperi96

If people really want to "bully", they will find a way regardless of if there is any vote system or not. As mentioned earlier by Sakura and Felidae_ it's linked strongly on how do we perceive the reputation, and I fall into those who couldn't care less. Why should I? Likes can come from such unimportant topics such as telling which card you pulled or just as suddenly they can disappear because you made some questionable posts. I think the thing I appreciate most in the system is that if nothing else, it tells that my post has caused some thought and reaction, positive or negative, that is same to me, but the worst feeling I could get is that I made long reply that wouldn't be read by anyone.

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46 minutes ago, Sniperi96 said:

I think the thing I appreciate most in the system is that if nothing else, it tells that my post has caused some thought and reaction, positive or negative, that is same to me, but the worst feeling I could get is that I made long reply that wouldn't be read by anyone.

 

I think the heart of my suggestion -- rating ideas & posts, rather than people/players -- has gone over the heads of many, even though I've mentioned it a few times.  Why should it be a personality contest?  Are we competing for something?  Why a Leaderboard?  All of this might be resolved with simple adjustments.

 

I don't think I've "downvoted" anything, a single time, since this new software went into effect, and very few times with the old one.  With the old software, you could only downvote once per day (a daily limit).  I get the impression that it's once per post now, without limit, which might explain the recent atmosphere.  Maybe they could fix that?

 

Also, this new software, which shows separate up and down votes, is causing much of this.  It's feeding the trolls, and making them go out of their way for vendettas, bitterness, or whatever reason they have.  At least with the old software, and one adjustable rating per post, we could counteract the nonsense, with cooler heads balancing it out.  ...minus one ...plus one.  When it was said and done, we got a more accurate idea of the post's worthiness.

 

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4 hours ago, RobRatt said:

Just 11 hours ago, someone had gone out of their way to randomly "downvote" 8 of my older posts. 

 

How do you know that?  I don't think you can Downvote 8 things in one day, but I could be mistaken.  Regardless, there are legitimate reasons for Downvoting something old.  I mean, if you were only made aware of it in the present, why is your response less valid now than back then?  Considering you shouldn't post on dormant threads, it's probably more appropriate to just use a Reaction.

 

If someone did misuse the system to spam you with Downvotes... I'm sorry they did it, but it shouldn't be a big deal because using the Reputation system to determine who is a good "poster" is like relying on Prize counts to see who is "winning" in the TCG; very unreliable.

 

29 minutes ago, RobRatt said:

I don't think I've "downvoted" a single time since this new software went into effect, and very few times with the old one.  With the old software, you could only downvote once per day (a daily limit).  I get the impression that it's once per post now, without limit, which might explain the recent atmosphere.  Maybe they could fix that?

 

Under the old system, you were pretty restricted with how many times you could Downvote during a day.  I don't remember an exact number, but I think it isn't as bad now as it was then.  Part of what frustrated me coming to the old boards was I would often run out of both Upvotes and Downvotes.  I was neither trying to be "mean" for "nice", merely giving folks what their comments had earned (and neither Upvotes or Downvotes should be worth a whole lot).

 

With the new boards, I've still run out, but it seems to take longer.*  In both cases, Downvotes seem more restricted than Upvotes (if Upvotes are even restricted now).  I tend to make lengthy comments when I do post.  Too lengthy, whether it comes to the time investment or just keeping the discussion running smoothly. Upvotes, Downvotes, and Likes save me a lot of time and prevent me from cluttering up the board.  So would a "Huh?" Reaction, hence the thread.

 

All the current options help me learn.  I think sometimes I've made good comments that receive a bad response here on the board, but that's the cost of being free to discuss things.  It took me too long, but I finally realized I shouldn't dwell on a high or low Reputation.

 

*So... will I get downvoted into oblivion tonight? If it happens... oh well. ;)

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Haven't tested it and I don't think I will either, but I get the impression that the new system allows 10 reactions every 24 hrs, both upvotes and downvotes combined (as opposed to the 10 upvotes and 1 downvote limit we had before). I do think there was no reason to prompt such a change, but I really don't think it was such a big deal.

 

The idea of rating ideas rather than players didn't really fly over my head, I just don't think the reputation system was ever turned into a popularity contest in the first place. It exists to rate the content of each individual post. That's what the system is designed for and it's what a lot of people use it for. Sure, a few people will go around downvoting others out of spite. Nothing you can do about that other than eliminating the system altogether. But why use a jackhammer to crack a nut? Just ignore the occasional undeserved downvote, and let normal people use the rep system to rate post like it was intended for. 

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Otakutron said:

So would a "Huh?" Reaction, hence the thread.

 

Before this whole thing got side tracked I was actually gonna comment on that, but never got the chance xd

 

Having additional reactions besides the current 3 would be interesting. But as to the "huh?" feeling I actually have something better: replying with a flat:

 

"wat"

 

The meme has aged pretty imo. If you're feeling fancy, you can even give them a "65wat", or if it's intended for older members, you can type "1.21 Giga Wat" to perfectly convey that feeling of being baffled while at the same time sharing a good meme with the people who catch the reference xddd Man, I swear, if only I could post meme images on this board... I'd probably have the entire thing filled with lame weeb memes, so it's probably for the best that I can't xd

 

Back to being serious, the idea of new reactions sounds cool. I'm not very hopeful considering that the canned chat has not received a single new addition in more than 2 years. But at least we can share the idea as feedback. Who knows, maybe the devs will take it into consideration one day.

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8 hours ago, RobRatt said:

 

I think the heart of my suggestion -- rating ideas & posts, rather than people/players -- has gone over the heads of many, even though I've mentioned it a few times.  Why should it be a personality contest?  Are we competing for something?  Why a Leaderboard?  All of this might be resolved with simple adjustments.

 

I may have worded my post badly, after all English is not my native language, but my point was that indeed, these points should mean nothing. If people decide to perceive them as they are being bullied, I think they are making far bigger deal out of them than necessary.

 

For me they they mean "your post has been read and somone is disagreeing/agreeing with it" , though in case of someone deciding to spam dowvote it may be "someone has got uppset about something you have said and is having tantrum". 

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@Sakura150612, @Felidae_, @Otakutron, @harshu & others who may read:

 

^^  Maybe you guys aren't aware of what's been happening?  And if you were, you might have good suggestions?

 

@Staff and @Moderators, you need to change the daily "downvote" limit back to once daily, like it was in the old Forums software.

 

DISCLAIMER:  As I said before, I'm not fond of this Reputation system in the first place.  I don't "downvote" anything or anyone as a practice.  I don't believe other player's complaints about the game, suggestions, or ideas should reflect on them personally.  That's not to say I won't disagree, but I respond in writing with those thoughts, rather than clicking a button.  If it's not worthy of a written response, then it's properly ignored.

 

Imagine this scenario...

 

We're all just cartoon characters (right?).  I'm not going to name anyone.

 

There's someone in the Forums (and perhaps more than one) who feels jilted for some reason.  Maybe they did or said something disrespectful?  ...Maybe selfish?  They may have been caught breaking the rules?  ...Maybe deceptive trades?  ...Maybe they even got temporarily banned?  Heck, they may have learned their lesson, and tried to make amends.  Yet, all efforts to turn this mistake around might have failed.  To them, this all seems unfair.  In an anonymous forum system, other players started downvoting them, relentlessly.  Everything they write afterward, even good or helpful posts, seems to be ill-received.  They find that the Pokémon Forums is not a "forgiving" place.

 

Payback.  Their reputation (stupid rating system) has been decimated.  And while they may not be "hurt" personally, they still recognize the unfairness.  ...both in their standing, and the others who won't give them any slack.  Maybe they see it all as a joke?  "Okay," they say, "I can play this game too."  After creating other accounts, they start the daily exercise of "Upvoting" themselves.  Almost too rapidly, hoping no one will notice, they go from a very bad (negative) rating to one that's more respectable.  Maybe it's still in the negative, but they're gaining.  At the same time, they've decided to show others what it feels like.  So, every day they select people they don't like, or feel created their problem, and they "Downvote" all their posts (indiscriminately).  They get a good laugh with this payback, and are purposely driving other player's "reputations" into the abyss they know.

 

It's happening.  NOW.  Every day.

 

Using a daily limit of 10 Downvotes, maybe with other accounts, is this what the rating system is intended for?

 

Is it not "bullying" when innocent players get caught up in this campaign?  ...Unaware of why?

 

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Sniperi96

Decepetive trades, ban, going up  from far negative(70), dear arceus, that is fitting me quite nicely.

But no, I'm not the person that is causing havoc here, nor am I upvoting myself. I would say I'm just as surprised as you are why many of the downvotes targeted towards my posts have been pulled back.

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DonZaloog95
3 hours ago, RobRatt said:

Using a daily limit of 10 Downvotes, maybe with other accounts, is this what the rating system is intended for?

 

On that note, I think it's fair to ask if they should do something about the current point system or if they should first focus on detecting these multiple accounts and punishing this action, seeing that these accounts may also cause other side effects that may have negative impact on the game as a whole?

About upvotes/downvotes:Meh, I don't myself care to give any of those too often, sometimes I give as a thank you for tips or new information I may receive, but I have to admit that it feels sort of nice to get feedback on post and I believe it is one kind of communication for those who don't necessarily want, have time and so on to reply to the post. I think there are fair arguments both for old system with really limited amount of downvotes (1 per day) and for new one with 10 votes per day. I personally prefer the new one with more votes due to the freedom of not having to choose strictly whom to upvote, if it so happens that I feel need to say thanks to multiple people, but also I don't think having less votes is solving the reputation problem. Those who want to wrong-use the system, will create just as many accounts as they need to achieve the desired effect, while on the other hand those who go by the rules have more limited ability to react. Also I think due to people having more votes makes it in my opinion more casual, you don't need to think does someone "deserve" like, you can just give it to them right away.

While I think likes aren't something one should compete for, in my opinion there is something satisfying in trying to make as good as possible posts with positive tone, and getting feedback for it. It is like getting smiles that keep me going on.😊

 

Edit2: Ah, sorry for not answering to the original post, yes please! I would love to have different kind of reactions than the current three!😄

 

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Otakutron
2 hours ago, RobRatt said:

@Staff and @Moderators, you need to change the daily "downvote" limit back to once daily, like it was in the old Forums software.

 

 

I am fairly certain that was not the old limit.  If what @Sakura150612 says it true, the difference is you're allowed 10 total reactions now, were as before, you could only downvote 2-3 times.

 

Now... why are you so obsessed with punishing the innocent?  In the name of protecting hypothetical users from potential bullying, you want to remove Reactions from all the people using Reactions appropriately.  On this board, our speech is already severely curtailed as even those of us not given to profanity must work hard to avoid the word censor function.  We aren't allowed to discuss certain TCG related topics, because they are taboo.  I may not like these facts, but I do understand why they exist.  Now you want to add to those restrictions, so I need better justifications than you're giving me.

 

Oh, and if we're going to ask the Moderators to do something... how about separating out a discussion about the Reaction system in general from the much smaller, but original discussion about whether or not adding a new reaction to express confusion about a post is appropriate?

 

I mean, you kind of threadjacked me RobRatt, which some might see as... bullying. ;)

 

(Since I have been participating in the discussion, it clearly is not bullying, but it is still frustrating when I started this to talk about Topic A and it has shifted to Topic B.  I think both topics are worthy of discussion in their own threads)

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RobRatt
16 minutes ago, DonZaloog95 said:

I think there are fair arguments both for old system with really limited amount of downvotes (1 per day) and for new one with 10 votes per day. I personally prefer the new one with more votes due to the freedom of not having to choose strictly whom to upvote, if it so happens that I feel need to say thanks to multiple people, but also I don't think having less votes is solving the reputation problem.

 

Thank you for replying.  But I am curious why one word, "Downvotes," was taken out when you quoted me?  My original quote, ..."Using a daily limit of 10 Downvotes, maybe with other accounts, is this what the rating system is intended for?" was intended to show that someone is strictly attacking other player's ratings with it.

 

Misuse of the system is currently happening.  Mostly, I'm speaking out for those being picked on.  I'm watching their ratings plummet, hearing them, and wondering why no one else understands their concerns.  It's become toxic for them.

 

As Sakura has said, and I am also positive of, the old forums software allowed ONE downvote per day.  And while you could post many upvotes daily, this prevented exaggerated misuse of downvotes (to everything they post).  With the new software, it's 10 a day, either up or down.  Used normally, this wouldn't be a problem.  But it's not normal times, or the average users that we're talking about.

 

 

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DonZaloog95
8 hours ago, RobRatt said:

 

Thank you for replying.  But I am curious why one word, "Downvotes," was taken out when you quoted me?  My original quote, ..."Using a daily limit of 10 Downvotes, maybe with other accounts, is this what the rating system is intended for?" was intended to show that someone is strictly attacking other player's ratings with it.

 

Pardon me:rolleyes:  i got censored by the system for some unimaginable reason and then after I manually wrote it back that word slipped out (quite late here in Europe).

 

edit:I also misunderstood the old system, sorry for that too.

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