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JshChili
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Legacy is a great format, and with all HGSS and Black and White packs in the shop, it is very easy

to acquire the cards to play this format.

However, since the removal of legacy tournaments, it seems that there isn’t really a ton of reason to play anymore. The legacy ladder is nice, but I and many others feel that legacy tournaments should make a return. No matter what the prizes are, it is great to be able to play legacy in an actual competitive setting without the random decks and bots that you see on ladder all the time. I know legacy tournaments often took some time to fill up, but that really is no reason to remove them. And if wait times really are that big of a deal, a possible solution could be a 4-person tournament as opposed to the usual 8. It would cut times in half.  The lack of tournament support really hurts the format, and for those of us that enjoy playing it a lot, it’s pretty sad.

 

Please consider this. And if anyone supports this, please type a comment below and show that people want this format to have tournaments again. 

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WingsofFire1014
1 hour ago, JshChili said:

Legacy is a great format, and with all HGSS and Black and White packs in the shop, it is very easy

to acquire the cards to play this format.

However, since the removal of legacy tournaments, it seems that there isn’t really a ton of reason to play anymore. The legacy ladder is nice, but I and many others feel that legacy tournaments should make a return. No matter what the prizes are, it is great to be able to play legacy in an actual competitive setting without the random decks and bots that you see on ladder all the time. I know legacy tournaments often took some time to fill up, but that really is no reason to remove them. The lack of tournament support really hurts the format, and for those of us that enjoy playing it a lot, it’s pretty sad.

 

Please consider this. And if anyone supports this, please type a comment below and show that people want this format to have tournaments again. 

This has been brought up MANY MANY times.

 

And I support your idea even though I don't play Legacy.

 

But let's just please STOP bringing this up. There must be a logical reason why they haven't came back yet.

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Lalamon

The more formats, the better the game. I support the idea too 😃

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DeoxysFan14

I support this as well!

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Otakutron
20 hours ago, WingsofFire1014 said:

There must be a logical reason why they haven't came back yet.

 

Because there aren't enough people for how tournaments work on the PTCGO.  That's the short version, anyway; one of the tournament formats had to go and Legacy had the least participation.

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Loof6

Yeah, please bring legacy tournaments back!

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DeoxysFan14
22 hours ago, Otakutron said:

 

Because there aren't enough people for how tournaments work on the PTCGO.  That's the short version, anyway; one of the tournament formats had to go and Legacy had the least participation.

could you elaborate on this?  I don't see why they'd need to cut a tournament format

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RGBGSCRSE
55 minutes ago, DeoxysFan14 said:

could you elaborate on this?  I don't see why they'd need to cut a tournament format

Not enough people played it, ao they got rid of it.

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Otakutron
3 hours ago, DeoxysFan14 said:

could you elaborate on this?  I don't see why they'd need to cut a tournament format

 

As @RGBGSCRSE stated, participation just got too low. Not necessarily because you need it, DeoxysFan14, but I think some players forget that the PTCGO does cost the powers-that-be money, including resources (like servers) to keep going.  Now, it gets a little confusing, because to an extent, the better the PTCGO does the more resources will be allowed for it... but even that has limits.

 

The PTCGO is a combination demo and loyalty reward for the physical TCG, in a way.

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Felidae_

To be honest I wish they'd re-do the Legacy format entirely.

 

The meta has grown so stale and the best decks in the format are way to oppressive.

 

Naturally my biggest wish would be the return of Unlimited with a small ban list (FoGP, Wally, etc.). However, I'd also be happy if Legacy would turn into a format that rotates the sets every other month(s). Instead of HGSS-LT we could go for HGSS era and 1st half of XY. Or how about BW and SM? Or even just a bunch of different expansions from all across the sets.

 

Not only would this finally bring some creative and fresh wind into the format, it would also allow for new and exciting decks that would rotate before the meta has the chance to grow stale and boring.

 

While I can see the negative aspect ere, as this mode would to a degree exclude beginners and players with a small collection, as it would be hard to keep up with the changing format, I'd argue that the current Legacy format also heavily favours those with a bigger collection.

Either way, the format needs some fresh wind and while I'd love for the tournaments to return, I doubt this is the drive that the format needs right now.

Also, if you are looking for strong opponents in Legacy you are much better of playing on the ladder, as the random nature of tournaments will render this goal quite difficult to achieve.

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Kuvick_Kuvakei

I don't see any legitimate reason not to have this. It seems the tournaments are generated on an as needed basis, so even if there are few players willing to do them they aren't really tying up much in terms of server resources, they just might have longer wait times while enough players pile in to run them.

 

I gotta figure if I play long enough my extended decks are eventually going to phase over to legacy, and I won't be looking forward to not being able to use those cards in a tournament ever again.

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Otakutron
8 hours ago, Kuvick_Kuvakei said:

I gotta figure if I play long enough my extended decks are eventually going to phase over to legacy, and I won't be looking forward to not being able to use those cards in a tournament ever again.

 

The Legacy Format consists of the HeartGold/SoulSilver series and the Black & White series.  It was created specifically so there'd be a place outside of the PTCGO Unlimited Format for the HS-series cards... because the PTCGO first went active when the HS-series was Standard-legal.  It has never changed since it was created.  It only exists on the PTCGO.

 

The Expanded Format officially went into effect back in 2014.  Unless there's a last minute change, it won't have seen any form of rotation for the past five years.  It is possible that they'll eventually rotate sets or even entire series from Expanded Format play, but who knows if the PTCGO will still be around by that point.  This from someone who has been wanting the Black & White series to rotate from Expanded play. XD

 

So... yeah, maybe the Dev Team will change the Legacy Format if/when Expanded changes, but we have no idea when Expanded will cut out the older expansions, if ever.

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harshu
On 6/1/2019 at 10:40 PM, Felidae_ said:

To be honest I wish they'd re-do the Legacy format entirely.

 

The meta has grown so stale and the best decks in the format are way to oppressive.

 

Naturally my biggest wish would be the return of Unlimited with a small ban list (FoGP, Wally, etc.). However, I'd also be happy if Legacy would turn into a format that rotates the sets every other month(s). Instead of HGSS-LT we could go for HGSS era and 1st half of XY. Or how about BW and SM? Or even just a bunch of different expansions from all across the sets.

 

Not only would this finally bring some creative and fresh wind into the format, it would also allow for new and exciting decks that would rotate before the meta has the chance to grow stale and boring.

 

While I can see the negative aspect ere, as this mode would to a degree exclude beginners and players with a small collection, as it would be hard to keep up with the changing format, I'd argue that the current Legacy format also heavily favours those with a bigger collection.

Either way, the format needs some fresh wind and while I'd love for the tournaments to return, I doubt this is the drive that the format needs right now.

Also, if you are looking for strong opponents in Legacy you are much better of playing on the ladder, as the random nature of tournaments will render this goal quite difficult to achieve.

That would have its downsides too..

 

First -

1) Meta doesn't develop 100% in 2 months (longer time perhaps ? ) and moreover, ban lists would be needed for them just like unlimited..

 

2) It would be hard for anyone new to get adapted to ever so often changing metas..

 

For example, consider a guy trying out the new format and decides to invest his time in getting the cards that are very rare. It takes time and what if he just ready to make a deck and suddenly all the amounts of efforts he put in, went in vain because the meta rotated.. (2 months is a short time. It would be nice if it would rotate like 3-4 months at least, same amount as when a new set appears in the game )

 

3) Too hard to implement, how would you code such a format that involves skipping some expansions and change them ever so often like around 3-4 months. Too much work required separately to handle the bans as well as some combinations might be too good for the format ? Selection of expansions would be another factor to take (perhaps they could use a vote on the forums to decide the next combinations etc.. ) But still too much of revamp on every single rotation.

 

We know how updates tend to break PTCGO even further rather than cure it.

 

4) PTCGO was aimed at the real life game being simulated on a computer, at least that is how it started (no matter where it has reached now with canned chat and all those animations and useless stuff going around) - I don't see a specially maintained format just so people can enjoy.

 

Don't get me wrong, I would love this suggestion (it does sound exciting ) and welcome it by all means, but do you think that they would do this, when they couldn't even give an option to a player to disable animations/un-can the chat.

 

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Felidae_
10 hours ago, harshu said:

That would have its downsides too..

 

First -

1) Meta doesn't develop 100% in 2 months (longer time perhaps ? ) and moreover, ban lists would be needed for them just like unlimited..

That's the point: create a mode with a shifting meta that keeps being interested. I do believe that the majority of the meta will be cracked after a couple of weeks (after all those are old cards and many interactions are well known), but I don't see an “unstable” meta as something negative (given the circumstances).

Ban lists are only needed in very narrow cases and in those you could just go with the Expanded banlist.

 

10 hours ago, harshu said:

2) It would be hard for anyone new to get adapted to ever so often changing metas..

 

For example, consider a guy trying out the new format and decides to invest his time in getting the cards that are very rare. It takes time and what if he just ready to make a deck and suddenly all the amounts of efforts he put in, went in vain because the meta rotated.. (2 months is a short time. It would be nice if it would rotate like 3-4 months at least, same amount as when a new set appears in the game )

True, that's why I said that this wouldn't be beginner friendly. Then again neither is Legacy.

10 hours ago, harshu said:

3) Too hard to implement, how would you code such a format that involves skipping some expansions and change them ever so often like around 3-4 months. Too much work required separately to handle the bans as well as some combinations might be too good for the format ? Selection of expansions would be another factor to take (perhaps they could use a vote on the forums to decide the next combinations etc.. ) But still too much of revamp on every single rotation.

 

We know how updates tend to break PTCGO even further rather than cure it.

I don't know much about coding, but judging that the game uses the same source platform as Hearthstone, I'd say that this shouldn't be an issue at all. Yeah, it's difficult to compare the two games, based on the staggering difference in the amount of programmers working behind the scenes, but HS has a new Brawl mode with crazy rule sets every week, so I don't see any excuses here.

Are we honestly at a point where we don't want updates, because they create new bugs? C'mon now....

10 hours ago, harshu said:

4) PTCGO was aimed at the real life game being simulated on a computer, at least that is how it started (no matter where it has reached now with canned chat and all those animations and useless stuff going around) - I don't see a specially maintained format just so people can enjoy.

 

Don't get me wrong, I would love this suggestion (it does sound exciting ) and welcome it by all means, but do you think that they would do this, when they couldn't even give an option to a player to disable animations/un-can the chat.

 

Legacy is a non-paper format as well and their version of Unlimited also differs from the paper version, so I don't see any problem.

 

No, of course I don't believe they'd implement that. I don't believe that any idea is going to be implemented, but if we'd go by that logic we might as well close this forum for good.

We can all dream Harshu, we can all dream ;).

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Yelf59

I fully support this idea ! 

Bringing back legacy tournaments would mean more legacy players :)

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harshu
14 hours ago, Felidae_ said:

Are we honestly at a point where we don't want updates, because they create new bugs? C'mon now....

 

No, of course I don't believe they'd implement that. I don't believe that any idea is going to be implemented, but if we'd go by that logic we might as well close this forum for good.

We can all dream Harshu, we can all dream ;).

Well to be honest after all the updates they have done, I hardly see something good to cherish about and so many new bugs to find more.. I really am afraid after any update is released, sorry but I can't be as optimistic as you are.

 

Well if it is about to dream, then well I am too excited about the new upcoming format :D

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