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A few minutes ago, I played in Versus Mode and faced against Whimsicott GX. I lose, because my opponent win coin flip too many times in a row.
After that, I go to Tournaments, and tried my luck in expanded tournament (I spended 8 tickets on this try! I can't restore them back until tomorrow!) and faced against Whimsicott GX yet AGAIN!

And again, I lose, because Whimsicott GX just doesn't take any damage in about 80% of the time.

I know, I know - everybody on these forums yelling about broken cards, people tired of it. But I truly believe, Whimsicott GX is the MOST broken of all. 
I saw some cards been temporally banned for exploitation, and I want Whimsicott GX to be banned too. Or at least coin flip to be fixed for 50/50 chance instead of 80/20

Also, if somebody knows counter to Whimsicott GX - please ********* would be appreciated

 

Game Log output of my sadly unfortunate experience in tournament begins here:
   

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1. settled96 flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 0 heads and 1 tails, for Beginning of Game.
********** is now settled96's turn (Turn #1).
    3. Kostyurik drew Pumpkaboo.
    4. settled96 drew a card.
    5. Kostyurik drew Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear.
    6. settled96 drew a card.
    7. Kostyurik drew Nest Ball.
    8. settled96 drew a card.
    9. Kostyurik drew Dimension Valley.
    10. settled96 drew a card.
    11. Kostyurik drew Pumpkaboo.
    12. settled96 drew a card.
    13. Kostyurik drew Ultra Ball.
    14. settled96 drew a card.
    15. Kostyurik drew Cynthia.
    16. settled96 drew a card.
    17. Pumpkaboo became Kostyurik's new Active Pokémon.
    18. Kostyurik put Pumpkaboo onto the Bench.
    19. settled96 drew a card.
    20. settled96 put Meowth onto the Bench.
    21. settled96 played Wondrous Labyrinth {*}.
    22. settled96 played Ultra Ball.
    23. settled96 drew Dedenne-GX.
    24. settled96 attached a Fairy Charm {L} to Meowth.
    25. settled96 put Dedenne-GX onto the Bench.
    26. settled96 drew a card.
    27. settled96 drew a card.
    28. settled96 drew a card.
    29. settled96 drew a card.
    30. settled96 drew a card.
    31. settled96 drew a card.
    32. settled96 put Ditto {*} onto the Bench.
    33. settled96 attached a Fairy Energy to Cottonee.
    ****** is now Kostyurik's turn (Turn #2).
    35. Kostyurik drew Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear.
    36. settled96's Wondrous Labyrinth {*} was moved to the Lost Zone.
    37. Kostyurik played Dimension Valley.
    38. Kostyurik played Nest Ball.
    39. Kostyurik put Unown onto the Bench.
    40. Kostyurik played Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear.
    41. Kostyurik played Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear.
    42. Kostyurik played Cynthia.
    43. Kostyurik drew Strong Energy.
    44. Kostyurik drew Marshadow-GX.
    45. Kostyurik drew Dimension Valley.
    46. Kostyurik drew Joltik.
    47. Kostyurik drew Gladion.
    48. Kostyurik drew Gladion.
    49. Kostyurik put Joltik onto the Bench.
    50. Kostyurik put Marshadow-GX onto the Bench.
    51. Kostyurik's Unown used its Farewell Letter Ability.
    52. Kostyurik drew Roller Skates.
    53. Kostyurik played Roller Skates.
    54. Kostyurik flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 0 heads and 1 tails, for Roller Skates.
    55. Kostyurik attached a Strong Energy to Marshadow-GX.
    ****** is now settled96's turn (Turn ****
    57. settled96 drew a card.
    58. settled96 put Whimsicott-GX onto the Bench.
    59. settled96's Cottonee evolved into Whimsicott-GX.
    60. settled96 put Whimsicott-GX onto the Bench.
    61. settled96's Ditto {*} evolved into Whimsicott-GX.
    62. settled96's Magearna used its Change Clothes Ability.
    ****** is now Kostyurik's turn (Turn #4).
    64. Kostyurik drew Marshadow-GX.
    65. Kostyurik put Marshadow-GX onto the Bench.
    66. Kostyurik played Gladion.
    67. Kostyurik took a Prize card.
    68. Kostyurik attached a Double Colorless Energy to Pumpkaboo.
    69. Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo used Night March and did 100 damage to settled96's Magearna.
    70. Kostyurik took a Prize card.
    71. Whimsicott-GX became settled96's new Active Pokémon.
    72. settled96's Magearna was Knocked Out.
    ****** is now settled96's turn (Turn #5).
    74. settled96 drew a card.
    75. settled96 played Rescue Stretcher.
    76. settled96 put Magearna onto the Bench.
    77. settled96's Whimsicott-GX used its Toy Box GX attack.
    78. settled96 drew a card.
    79. settled96 drew a card.
    80. settled96 drew a card.
    81. settled96 drew a card.
    82. settled96 drew a card.
    ****** is now Kostyurik's turn (Turn #6).
    84. Kostyurik drew Cynthia.
    85. Kostyurik played Cynthia.
    86. Kostyurik drew Trainers' Mail.
    87. Kostyurik drew Roller Skates.
    88. Kostyurik drew N.
    89. Kostyurik drew Trainers' Mail.
    90. Kostyurik drew Nest Ball.
    91. Kostyurik drew Unown.
    92. Kostyurik put Unown onto the Bench.
    93. Kostyurik's Unown used its Farewell Letter Ability.
    94. Kostyurik drew Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear.
    95. Kostyurik played Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear.
    96. Kostyurik played Nest Ball.
    97. Kostyurik put Unown onto the Bench.
    98. Kostyurik's Unown used its Farewell Letter Ability.
    99. Kostyurik drew Ultra Ball.
    100. Kostyurik played Roller Skates.
    101. Kostyurik flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 0 heads and 1 tails, for Roller Skates.
    102. Kostyurik played Trainers' Mail.
    103. Kostyurik drew Computer Search.
    104. Kostyurik played Trainers' Mail.
    105. Kostyurik drew Nest Ball.
    106. Kostyurik played Nest Ball.
    107. Kostyurik put Unown onto the Bench.
    108. Kostyurik's Unown used its Farewell Letter Ability.
    109. Kostyurik drew Double Colorless Energy.
    110. Kostyurik attached a Double Colorless Energy to Pumpkaboo.
    111. settled96 flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 1 heads and 0 tails, for Fluffy Cotton.
    112. Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo used its Night March attack.
    ******* is now settled96's turn (Turn #7).
    114. settled96 drew a card.
    115. settled96 attached a Wishful Baton to Whimsicott-GX.
    116. settled96 played Welder.
    117. settled96 attached a Fire Energy to Whimsicott-GX.
    118. settled96 attached a Fire Energy to Whimsicott-GX.
    119. settled96 drew a card.
    120. settled96 drew a card.
    121. settled96 drew a card.
    122. settled96 put Persian-GX onto the Bench.
    123. settled96's Meowth evolved into Persian-GX.
    124. settled96 put Tapu Lele onto the Bench.
    125. settled96 attached a Fairy Charm {L} to Tapu Lele.
    126. Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo is now Confused.
    127. settled96 attached a Escape Board to Dedenne-GX.
    128. settled96 attached a Fire Energy to Whimsicott-GX.
    129. settled96's Whimsicott-GX used Energy Blow and did 100 damage to Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo.
    130. settled96 took a Prize card.
    131. Pumpkaboo became Kostyurik's new Active Pokémon.
    132. Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo is no longer Confused.
    133. Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo was Knocked Out.
    ******* is now Kostyurik's turn (Turn #8).
    135. Kostyurik drew Cynthia.
    136. Kostyurik played Cynthia.
    137. Kostyurik drew N.
    138. Kostyurik drew Ultra Ball.
    139. Kostyurik drew Ultra Ball.
    140. Kostyurik drew Dimension Valley.
    141. Kostyurik drew N.
    142. Kostyurik drew Computer Search.
    143. Kostyurik played Computer Search.
    144. Kostyurik drew Double Colorless Energy.
    145. Kostyurik attached a Double Colorless Energy to Joltik.
    146. settled96 flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 1 heads and 0 tails, for Fluffy Cotton.
    147. Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo used its Night March attack.
    ******* is now settled96's turn (Turn #9).
    149. settled96 drew a card.
    150. settled96 attached a Wishful Baton to Whimsicott-GX.
    151. settled96's Magearna used its Change Clothes Ability.
    152. settled96 attached a Fairy Charm {L} to Tapu Lele.
    153. Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo is now Confused.
    154. settled96's Whimsicott-GX used Energy Blow and did 100 damage to Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo.
    155. settled96 took a Prize card.
    156. Joltik became Kostyurik's new Active Pokémon.
    157. Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo is no longer Confused.
    158. Kostyurik's Pumpkaboo was Knocked Out.
    ******* is now Kostyurik's turn (Turn #10).
    160. Kostyurik drew Roller Skates.
    161. Kostyurik played Roller Skates.
    162. Kostyurik flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 0 heads and 1 tails, for Roller Skates.
    163. Kostyurik played N.
    164. Kostyurik drew Trainers' Mail.
    165. Kostyurik drew Ultra Ball.
    166. Kostyurik drew Marshadow-GX.
    167. Kostyurik drew Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear.
    168. Kostyurik drew Cynthia.
    169. settled96 drew a card.
    170. settled96 drew a card.
    171. settled96 drew a card.
    172. settled96 drew a card.
    173. Kostyurik put Marshadow-GX onto the Bench.
    174. Kostyurik played Trainers' Mail.
    175. Kostyurik drew Gladion.
    176. settled96 flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 1 heads and 0 tails, for Fluffy Cotton.
    177. Kostyurik's Joltik used its Night March attack.
    ******* is now settled96's turn (Turn #11).
    179. settled96 drew a card.
    180. settled96 attached a Fairy Energy to Whimsicott-GX.
    181. settled96's Whimsicott-GX used Energy Blow and did 100 damage to Kostyurik's Joltik.
    182. settled96 took a Prize card.
    183. Marshadow-GX became Kostyurik's new Active Pokémon.
    184. Kostyurik's Joltik was Knocked Out.
    ******* is now Kostyurik's turn (Turn #12).
    186. Kostyurik drew N.
    187. Kostyurik played Gladion.
    188. Kostyurik took a Prize card.
    189. Kostyurik attached a Double Colorless Energy to Marshadow-GX.
    190. settled96 flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 1 heads and 0 tails, for Fluffy Cotton.
    191. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX used its Night March attack.
    ******* is now settled96's turn (Turn #13).
    193. settled96 drew a card.
    194. settled96's Magearna used its Change Clothes Ability.
    195. settled96 attached a Fairy Charm {L} to Tapu Lele.
    196. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX is now Confused.
    197. settled96's Whimsicott-GX used Energy Blow and did 100 damage to Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX.
    ******* is now Kostyurik's turn (Turn #14).
    199. Kostyurik drew Trainers' Mail.
    200. Kostyurik played Cynthia.
    201. Kostyurik drew Dimension Valley.
    202. Kostyurik drew Strong Energy.
    203. Kostyurik drew Dimension Valley.
    204. Kostyurik drew Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear.
    205. Kostyurik drew Ultra Ball.
    206. Kostyurik drew Strong Energy.
    207. Kostyurik attached a Strong Energy to Marshadow-GX.
    208. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX retreated.
    209. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX is no longer Confused.
    210. Marshadow-GX became Kostyurik's new Active Pokémon.
    211. settled96 flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 0 heads and 1 tails, for Fluffy Cotton.
    212. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX used Night March and did 280 damage to settled96's Whimsicott-GX.
    213. settled96 attached a Fairy Energy to Whimsicott-GX.
    214. settled96 attached a Fire Energy to Whimsicott-GX.
    215. settled96 attached a Fire Energy to Whimsicott-GX.
    216. Kostyurik took a Prize card.
    217. Kostyurik took a Prize card.
    218. Whimsicott-GX became settled96's new Active Pokémon.
    219. settled96's Whimsicott-GX was Knocked Out.
    ******* is now settled96's turn (Turn #***.
    221. settled96 drew a card.
    222. settled96's Magearna used its Change Clothes Ability.
    223. settled96 attached a Fairy Charm {L} to Tapu Lele.
    224. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX is now Confused.
    225. settled96's Persian-GX used its Cat Walk Ability.
    226. settled96 drew a card.
    227. settled96 played Viridian Forest.
    228. settled96's Whimsicott-GX used Energy Blow and did 160 damage to Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX.
    229. settled96 took a Prize card.
    230. settled96 took a Prize card.
    231. Marshadow-GX became Kostyurik's new Active Pokémon.
    232. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX is no longer Confused.
    233. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX was Knocked Out.
    ******* is now Kostyurik's turn (Turn #16).
    235. Kostyurik drew N.
    236. Kostyurik played Dimension Valley.
    237. Kostyurik played Roller Skates.
    238. Kostyurik flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 1 heads and 0 tails, for Roller Skates.
    239. Kostyurik drew N.
    240. Kostyurik drew Trainers' Mail.
    241. Kostyurik drew Marshadow-GX.
    242. Kostyurik put Marshadow-GX onto the Bench.
    243. Kostyurik played Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear.
    244. Kostyurik played N.
    245. Kostyurik drew Strong Energy.
    246. Kostyurik drew Trainers' Mail.
    247. Kostyurik drew Ultra Ball.
    248. settled96 drew a card.
    249. Kostyurik attached a Strong Energy to Marshadow-GX.
    250. Kostyurik played Trainers' Mail.
    251. Kostyurik drew N.
    252. settled96 flipped 1 coin(s), resulting in 1 heads and 0 tails, for Fluffy Cotton.
    253. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX used its Hidden Power attack.
    ******* is now settled96's turn (Turn #17).
    255. settled96 drew a card.
    256. settled96's Whimsicott-GX used Energy Blow and did 160 damage to Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX.
    257. settled96 took a Prize card.
    258. Kostyurik's Marshadow-GX was Knocked Out.
    259. Your opponent took all of their Prize cards to win the game!

 

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If you’re looking for counters,  I think Stealthy Hood works. It reads

 

”Prevent all effects of your opponent’s Abilities done to the Pokémon this card is attached to. Remove such existing effects.”

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7 minutes ago, SKBellmore said:

If you’re looking for counters,  I think Stealthy Hood works. It reads

”Prevent all effects of your opponent’s Abilities done to the Pokémon this card is attached to. Remove such existing effects.”

I think Whimsicott GX ability affects only Whimsicott GX itself, not my pokemon. It would work If only I could attach it to oppponent's pokemon

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10 minutes ago, Kostyurik said:

I think Whimsicott GX ability affects only Whimsicott GX itself, not my pokemon. It would work If only I could attach it to oppponent's pokemon

Yeah, the ability says “If any damage is done to this Pokémon”. Sorry about that.

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Nope, just nope. For the billionth time, the RNG isn't broken. That you got exceptionally bad luck in 1 game doesn't prove anything.

 

I find it funny that in over 5 years of existence of this game, despite multiple isolated claims of broken RNG, anyone has yet to provide a SINGLE solid piece of evidence that it really is broken.

 

Until someone can show a statistically significant data pool that presents deviations that exceed a reasonable margin of error, the only way to explain these isolated claims is that the data pool is too small and that people are getting carried away by confirmation bias.

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6 hours ago, Kostyurik said:

A few minutes ago, I played in Versus Mode and faced against Whimsicott GX. I lose, because my opponent win coin flip too many times in a row.
After that, I go to Tournaments, and tried my luck in expanded tournament (I spended 8 tickets on this try! I can't restore them back until tomorrow!) and faced against Whimsicott GX yet AGAIN!

And again, I lose, because Whimsicott GX just doesn't take any damage in about 80% of the time.

I know, I know - everybody on these forums yelling about broken cards, people tired of it. But I truly believe, Whimsicott GX is the MOST broken of all. 
I saw some cards been temporally banned for exploitation, and I want Whimsicott GX to be banned too. Or at least coin flip to be fixed for 50/50 chance instead of 80/20

Also, if somebody knows counter to Whimsicott GX - please ********* would be appreciated

 

Game Log output of my sadly unfortunate experience in tournament begins here:
   

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Hello Kostyurik, 

 

Thank you for providing a game log for this. I've gone ahead and edited your topic to include a spoiler tag to reduce its size.

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I haven't seen many decks around Whimsicott-GX in expanded lately but here are some advice to counter them:

 

1. Ability lock destroys the entire deck so decks like drampa-garb or zoro-garb would be an auto-win. Alolan muk is also a big threat to Whimscott-GX players as your opponent cannot use their fairy charm ability, which makes the possibility of missing attack being 50% rather than 25%.

 

2. Whimscott-GX struggles to hit for large numbers so if your playing pokemon with higher hit points, you can always use acerola, cassius,  max potion, or even just retreat out of the active to reset prize numbers. Most decks that run big basics (tt) or evolutions normally play at least 1 copy of these.

 

3. Lucario/focus sash should be really good in expanded right now with all these tag teams running around, not to mention that half of those tag teams are weak to fighting (pikarom, zoroninja).

 

If you do not play any of the decks above then here is some additional advice for you: Map out your prize cards in advance and play patiently. Notice what your opponent benches, for example, target the lele GX, baby lele, and magearna for the 4 prize cards and you only need to hit through one Whimsicott GX for the game. 

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19 hours ago, Sadra said:

I haven't seen many decks around Whimsicott-GX in expanded lately but here are some advice to counter them:

 

1. Ability lock destroys the entire deck so decks like drampa-garb or zoro-garb would be an auto-win. Alolan muk is also a big threat to Whimscott-GX players as your opponent cannot use their fairy charm ability, which makes the possibility of missing attack being 50% rather than 25%.

 

2. Whimscott-GX struggles to hit for large numbers so if your playing pokemon with higher hit points, you can always use acerola, cassius,  max potion, or even just retreat out of the active to reset prize numbers. Most decks that run big basics (tt) or evolutions normally play at least 1 copy of these.

 

3. Lucario/focus sash should be really good in expanded right now with all these tag teams running around, not to mention that half of those tag teams are weak to fighting (pikarom, zoroninja).

 

If you do not play any of the decks above then here is some additional advice for you: Map out your prize cards in advance and play patiently. Notice what your opponent benches, for example, target the lele GX, baby lele, and magearna for the 4 prize cards and you only need to hit through one Whimsicott GX for the game. 

Thank you very much, some of these advices are actually very useful!

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Unless your own deck would need Abilities from a Pokémon-EX/GX at that exact moment, or revolves around a different Stadium, Power Plant seems like an easy solution (and one that works against other decks as well).  If your deck has an attack which does something other than damage to ultimately KO an opponent's Pokémon, that provides another workaround.

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17 hours ago, Otakutron said:

Unless your own deck would need Abilities from a Pokémon-EX/GX at that exact moment, or revolves around a different Stadium, Power Plant seems like an easy solution (and one that works against other decks as well).  If your deck has an attack which does something other than damage to ultimately KO an opponent's Pokémon, that provides another workaround.

Usually I highly depend on abilities (Marshadow GX in Night March deck; Darkrai EX, Malamar EX, Incineroar GX in my Greninja/Zoroark deck, etc) and my Florges EX deck revolves around sky field. 

But I think I can came up with something.

Thank you for your advices!

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8 hours ago, Kostyurik said:

Usually I highly depend on abilities (Marshadow GX in Night March deck; Darkrai EX, Malamar EX, Incineroar GX in my Greninja/Zoroark deck, etc) and my Florges EX deck revolves around sky field. 

But I think I can came up with something.

Thank you for your advices!

 

Yeah, definitely play around with the idea.  You brought up some great examples of decks where Power Plant may not be worth it.  You yourself will know best, but to explain why a seemingly "impossible" situation isn't, I'll clarify what I meant in my previous post.  I'll detail how Power Plant might still work in the decks you mentioned, but the main thing is that a counter in the cardpool can sometimes help you out even when you don't run it.  Even when your deck can't use it, as long as enough other competitive decks can, it may keep Whimsicott-GX decks in check.

 

 

Even when Power Plant clashes with a deck's general strategy or a specific attacker, the question is whether or not it may still be worth it to handle that problem match up.  In other words, it hurts your opponent worse than it hurts you, so it is still worth it.



 

Working with your own specific examples:

 
  • Night March typically runs several Pokémon-EX/GX that won't like Power Plant, but it also burns through most of them early game: Dedenne-GX, Shaymin-EX (ROS), and/or Tapu Lele-GX.  Maybe I've just been running the deck wrong for the last however many months (no, really I could be!), but I usually save Marshadow-GX for late game and/or exploiting [F] Weakness.  As such, Power Plant may still be worth it because midgame it shouldn't be messing with any of the aforementioned cards.
  • Greninja & Zoroark-GX decks shouldn't need most effects all the time.  As I haven't encountered the deck much (and not at all in Expanded), does Incineroar-GX need to use its Ability each and every turn?  It is hit or miss as to whether or not you'll need either Darkra-EX's or Malamar-EX's Ability.  Decent odds you can at least get one "reliable" KO out of the deal, dropping Power Plant after you've used the rest.
  • Florges-EX really does need Sky Field to do enough damage, so... yeah.  Theoretically, Florges-EX with Power Plant in play, five [G] or [Y] Pokémon on the Bench, a Choice Band attached to itself, and having used a Professor Kukui just barely OHKO's a Whimsicott-GX.

So... yeah, while not great, Power Plant is plausible in two out of three of these decks.  In many ways, it is similar to how Silent Lab is used in decks that still have Basics with Abilities.

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