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GrewupGeek

Hey, does anybody feel like the anime missed an opportunity to bring in another exclusive Z-move?  One that involves Ash's Greninja, where once it spirit evolves into Ash-Greninja, it can perform it's own Z-move, even if used against Misty's Mega Gyarados, for a really intense battle.

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Mod_Alder

Hello there, I can't say that I ever thought about that, but now that you brought it up that would have been interesting. 

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Mod_Gunning

Hello GrewupGeek,

 

Would be interested to see something like that too! What do you people think?

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kodking

sadly that is not posible, u see the z-crystals are a part of nercrozma, u see ash grinija is special cause they are the first ever pair to use syncro evolution, now also since ashh grenija is a recent phenomenon, this would not allow for a special z-move to be developed, i assume they would be able to use a normal z-move like waterium-Z or darkinium-Z. but not a special z-move just for them. i know a special z-move is a thing for ashes pikachu, but i also want to point out ash-grininja is op as is, honestly they would be over powering they flavour a cilan would say. anyway i would like to see a mega evolved pokemon use a z-move, in the game it is not a thing cause a pokemon can only hold 1 item, but in the series it is possible cause they dont need to hold a z-crystal. also i just remembered grininja is with zygaurd, so ash cant use him. 

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GrewupGeek

Or maybe, since this involves Ash, they don't want to make him too powerful to where he actually has a chance against a legendary type.  Which in turn, by the time he starts his adventure in the Galar region, it won't be a total crash and burn when he starts over.

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kodking

if they follow the rules thye have had since ash leaving for heon he wont have any pokemon aside from pikachu, also i doubt he will have his z-ring in next region, also why do they call it a ring, it is obvs a braclet or band, they could have called it a Z-band

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GrewupGeek

If they could give Ash a z-ring in Aloha, why couldn't they have found a way to give him a keystone in Kalos?  Why bring back Ash's Charizard if Ash is not going to mega evolve him in Kalos?  Why make a big deal about Ash-Greninja if you're just going to treat it like an afterthought after defeating Team Flare?

 

And with Dynamax and Gigantamax about to become the latest thing, well Ash be introducing something in the anime that is going to be used for a possible sequel?

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kodking

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, why must i explain this, they originally wanted to bring charizard back, but they left the idea and made syncro evolution, if he just used mega-evo he would be like all the others using mega-evo. also they had to find a way to bring greninja out of the picture without pulling a pideotto, so they made greninja leave to help "purify" the kalos region

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GrewupGeek

Except that is just an excuse to justify their action.  The main reason they did those is because they want to keep Ash's adventures into each region as fresh as possible, which is why they got rid of Brock for good, and made sure that none of Ash's older pokemon get to return for any of the tournaments.  It also the reason why some of Ash's older pokemon only got to make guest appearances at certain times.  Also why in Sun and Moon, Ash not only got to raise a legendary pokemon, which was originally done by Lillie in the video games, but also captures his first mythical pokemon, which is something you probably won't see again in Sword and Shield.

 

The problem with mega-evolution in the anime is that they decided to try and make it where they show most of them in the three-parter involving Alain, trying to give most of the megas a chance to make an appearance on the side.  In the main anime itself, if Ash's Charizard was meant to become Mega Charizard Y, and battle Alain's Mega Charizard X, then somebody realized how badly they messed up after they brought in the rival trio and gave them Kanto starters, since they don't want to do the same battle twice in a row.  Sceptile could have been another candidate, yet Sawyer comes along and changes those plans.  Both of them could have resulted in Ash getting a keystone that he could have put onto his hat.  Yet with Greninja and spirit evolution, it was the perfect shortcut, even though it was for a short amount of time.

 

Leaving Greninja behind to purify Kalos from any leftover Team Flare agents, that is more of an excuse not to be tempted to create an Greninja z-crystal.  Considering that Ash-Greninja doesn't require a mega stone, and in the anime, z-crystals can't be equipped, so it would have still been a perfect opportunity to showcase.  Besides, leaving it Kalos makes less sense, especially if you are going to leave out the explanation if Greninja can still spirit evolve with Ash being an ocean away from it.

 

Besides, since some things on the anime has a tendency to appear in the games, and Ash-Greninja being an event pokemon, it would have been perfect to provide a z-crystal.  Ash-Greninja can change after winning a battle, and you can use a z-move alongside it.  Something you can't do with Mega Evolution, since nobody bothered adding a second item slot to the pokemon in the games.

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kodking
1 hour ago, GrewupGeek said:

Except that is just an excuse to justify their action.  The main reason they did those is because they want to keep Ash's adventures into each region as fresh as possible, which is why they got rid of Brock for good, and made sure that none of Ash's older pokemon get to return for any of the tournaments.  It also the reason why some of Ash's older pokemon only got to make guest appearances at certain times.  Also why in Sun and Moon, Ash not only got to raise a legendary pokemon, which was originally done by Lillie in the video games, but also captures his first mythical pokemon, which is something you probably won't see again in Sword and Shield.

 

The problem with mega-evolution in the anime is that they decided to try and make it where they show most of them in the three-parter involving Alain, trying to give most of the megas a chance to make an appearance on the side.  In the main anime itself, if Ash's Charizard was meant to become Mega Charizard Y, and battle Alain's Mega Charizard X, then somebody realized how badly they messed up after they brought in the rival trio and gave them Kanto starters, since they don't want to do the same battle twice in a row.  Sceptile could have been another candidate, yet Sawyer comes along and changes those plans.  Both of them could have resulted in Ash getting a keystone that he could have put onto his hat.  Yet with Greninja and spirit evolution, it was the perfect shortcut, even though it was for a short amount of time.

 

Leaving Greninja behind to purify Kalos from any leftover Team Flare agents, that is more of an excuse not to be tempted to create an Greninja z-crystal.  Considering that Ash-Greninja doesn't require a mega stone, and in the anime, z-crystals can't be equipped, so it would have still been a perfect opportunity to showcase.  Besides, leaving it Kalos makes less sense, especially if you are going to leave out the explanation if Greninja can still spirit evolve with Ash being an ocean away from it.

 

Besides, since some things on the anime has a tendency to appear in the games, and Ash-Greninja being an event pokemon, it would have been perfect to provide a z-crystal.  Ash-Greninja can change after winning a battle, and you can use a z-move alongside it.  Something you can't do with Mega Evolution, since nobody bothered adding a second item slot to the pokemon in the games.

u have to relise froakie is not in alola, they are kalos pokemon, now why would u want a foreign starter pokemon to have a z-move, again the crystals are a part of nercrozma, also i like the idea of syncro evolution, it makes ash one of a kind trainer, also poipole is an ultra beast, so honestly it cant count as mythical, and again ash has had friendships with other legendary pokemon before, like in unova. like i said yes ash-grininja could use a normal z move like water or dark type z-moves, but he cant have his own special z-move, whether it be for regular greninja or ash-greninja.

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Actually Greninja can have it's own z-move if the creators of the anime will it.  Just like Mew is able to get it's own in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, and it's not even in the pokedex.  And why should it matter if it's a foreign starter pokemon, considering that Charizard is originally a Kanto pokemon, and Kiwane is using one in battle, so region doesn't really matter.  Just like it wasn't a big deal for Ash to get his Charizard while still in Unova.  Even Ash's Pikachu is a starter pokemon from Kanto, so you might as well throw the foreign starter question out the window, especially since he has his own exclusive z-crystal.

 

Even if the crystals are part of nercrozma, since they don't need to be equipped on the anime, then it still means that there are some missed opportunities for them to try out. The closest thing you get to see mega evolution and z-moves in one location is when Ash was battling Misty's Mega Gyarados with Pikachu's 10 Million Volt Thunderbolt.  Yet they don't bother to find a way to have a mega evolved pokemon use z-moves, since most of the z-crystals are move type specific, not pokemon type specific.

 

And finally, in case you didn't check, while poipole is an ultra beast yes, and not an mystical pokemon, but Ash's Meltan is considered a mythical pokemon.  And chances are, the anime is about to introduce a different type of evolution that was never included in the Let's Go games.

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kodking

, thye use charizards as transportation in alola, also mews lived everywhere at one stage, no pikachu is not a starter in kanto, he was a pokemon oak had and figured ash could have it, also u dont see charizard or any other foreign starters having their own special z-moves do u, also ash does not get a meltan as far as i know, also meltan is not a mythical pokemon, it is just a pokemon they added in half way through like with some of the ultra beasts, also they figured it was time for charizard made a return so they brough him back into unova to make fans know he still matters, i gaurrentee u he will return again in the future

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GrewupGeek

Correction, Pikachu is considered a kanto starter, since it was pokemon that Ash started with.  It's also a starter pokemon in Pokemon Yellow and Let's Go Pikachu.  Oak only gave it to Ash since he woke up late, and missed out on the original three, leaving only one option.  Plus Ash was being stubborn about leaving emptyhanded, so Oak decided to let him prove his worth.

 

So what if Charizard doesn't have it's own z-move, it is still a Kanto starter pokemon that went from being a rider to a fighter.  Making it a foreign starter pokemon fighting in the league, used by Kiwane.  The only pokemon with their own Z-moves that aren't originally from Alola, are Pikachu, mew, and snorlax, meaning certain rules have loopholes that can be used

 

And yes, Meltan is a mythical pokemon, along with it's evolved formed, Melmetal.  When Ash caught it, it not only became his first steel type pokemon, it was also the first time a main character got to own a legendary pokemon.  Also yes, Ash does get one.

 

As for Ash's Charizard, along with any other of his pokemon, making a come back, guest appearance maybe, yet in a tournament like setting, doubt it.  With the franchise trying to keep things fresh for younger viewers, the chances of them being used in a tournament setting would be more like slim to none.

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kodking

it is not a starter pokemon, do u see it being handed out to people by the professors, also plz leave a link to these most recent pokemon vids as the official website has the one where ash challenges hapu, anyway ash-greninja cant have its own special z-move as it is very recently discovered

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GrewupGeek

Yes, Pikachu is a starter, because Professor Oak had it in the stand with the Kanto three, and he was given to Ash, making him a starter.  Even if it's the only one Professor Oak had, he gave it to Ash as a starter.  Where does it say a starter has to be exactly a grass, fire or water type?

 

If you want to see a link, you post it, because some of this stuff I mentioned are scenes still in Japan.

 

Ash-Greninja might be recently discovered, yet where does it say it can't have it's own special z-move?  Chances are it could, yet since Ash left Greninja in Kalos, there is no real way to prove it or disprove it.

 

Also, if you are only using one source for your debate, oh well.

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