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I don't understand how this guy performed attacks of 320HP on turn #7 and 240HP on turn #11
Here is the game log
Water deck (me) vs Fire deck (opponent)

Game Log Output Begins Here:

63. It is now Tungihomama's turn (Turn #5).
64. Tungihomama drew a card.
65. Tungihomama attached a Fire Energy to Typhlosion.
66. Tungihomama's Typhlosion used its Flare Destroy attack.
67. Tungihomama took a Prize card.
68. Lapras became Vegemite_Bomb's new Active Pokémon.
69. Vegemite_Bomb's Regice was Knocked Out.
70. It is now Vegemite_Bomb's turn (Turn #6).
71. Vegemite_Bomb drew Water Energy.
72. Vegemite_Bomb attached a Water Energy to Lapras.
73. Vegemite_Bomb played Dive Ball.
74. Vegemite_Bomb drew Vaporeon-EX.
75. Vegemite_Bomb put Vaporeon-EX onto the Bench.
76. Vegemite_Bomb's Lapras used its Errand-Running attack.
77. Vegemite_Bomb drew Max Elixir.
78. It is now Tungihomama's turn (Turn #7).
79. Tungihomama drew a card.
80. Tungihomama put Cyndaquil onto the Bench.
81. Vegemite_Bomb's Lapras retreated.
82. Tungihomama played Lysandre.
83. Vaporeon-EX became Vegemite_Bomb's new Active Pokémon.
84. Tungihomama played VS Seeker.
85. Tungihomama's Typhlosion used Massive Eruption and did 320 damage to Vegemite_Bomb's Vaporeon-EX.
86. Tungihomama took a Prize card.
87. Tungihomama took a Prize card.
88. Lapras became Vegemite_Bomb's new Active Pokémon.
89. Vegemite_Bomb's Vaporeon-EX was Knocked Out.
90. It is now Vegemite_Bomb's turn (Turn #8).
91. Vegemite_Bomb drew Articuno.
92. Vegemite_Bomb played Fisherman.
93. Vegemite_Bomb put Articuno onto the Bench.
94. Vegemite_Bomb attached a Water Energy to Articuno.
95. Vegemite_Bomb played Max Elixir.
96. Vegemite_Bomb attached a Water Energy to Articuno.
97. Vegemite_Bomb's Lapras used its Errand-Running attack.
98. Vegemite_Bomb drew Fighting Fury Belt.
99. It is now Tungihomama's turn (Turn #9).
100. Tungihomama drew a card.
101. Vegemite_Bomb's Lapras retreated.
102. Tungihomama played Lysandre.
103. Articuno became Vegemite_Bomb's new Active Pokémon.
104. Tungihomama attached a Fire Energy to Typhlosion.
105. Tungihomama played Super Rod.
106. Tungihomama's Typhlosion used its Flare Destroy attack.
107. Tungihomama took a Prize card.
108. Lapras became Vegemite_Bomb's new Active Pokémon.
109. Vegemite_Bomb's Articuno was Knocked Out.
110. It is now Vegemite_Bomb's turn (Turn #10).
111. Vegemite_Bomb drew Ursaring.
112. Vegemite_Bomb attached a Fighting Fury Belt to Lapras.
113. Vegemite_Bomb attached a Water Energy to Lapras.
114. Vegemite_Bomb's Lapras used its Errand-Running attack.
115. Vegemite_Bomb drew Professor's Letter.
116. It is now Tungihomama's turn (Turn #11).
117. Tungihomama drew a card.
118. Tungihomama played Ultra Ball.
119. Tungihomama drew Typhlosion.
120. Tungihomama played Rare Candy.
121. Tungihomama put Typhlosion onto the Bench.
122. Tungihomama's Cyndaquil evolved into Typhlosion.
123. Tungihomama's Typhlosion used Massive Eruption and did 240 damage to Vegemite_Bomb's Lapras.
124. Tungihomama took a Prize card.
125. Vegemite_Bomb's Lapras was Knocked Out.

 

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You might want to edit out the logs and just explain what happened. It's very spammy this way.

 

As for the damage: Typhlosion makes the opponent discard 5 cards of the top of their deck and for every fire energy among those he does 80 damage. So if 4 of the 5 cards that he discarded are fire energies, he will hit for 320 damage. It only takes 1 fire energy and with a rare candy he can thus be hitting this on turn 2 already.

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Ok just fought another typhlosion deck

Turn 4 Massive eruption 160 damage ( 2 energies in 5 cards discarded)
Turn 6 Massive eruption 240 damage ( 3 energies in 5 cards discarded)
Turn 8 Massive eruption 320 damage ( 4 energies in 5 cards discarded)
Turn 10 Massive eruption 160 damage ( 2 energies in 5 cards discarded)
Turn 12 Massive eruption 240 damage ( 3 energies in 5 cards discarded)
Turn 14 Massive eruption 320 damage ( 4 energies in 5 cards discarded)

Total energies: 18
Total cards discarded: 30

18 divided by 30 is 60% energy cards

60% of 60 = 36 energies

He either had:
1) 36 energy cards in his deck
2) was statistically extremely lucky
3) or had some method of transferring energy from the discard pile back into the deck.

Have to say playing against these typhlosion decks aren't much fun. I might go back to just playing theme decks till I have enough decent cards to be reasonably competitive.

 

 

EDIT: For some reason viewing the opponents deck was not possible. The option was greyed out. Why does this happen?

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One other interesting observation the pattern of energies discarded is exactly 2, 3, 4, 2, 3, 4,

Almost robotic in nature,

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It's far too small a sample size.  If that pattern showed up in every typhlosion game you ever played, something might be wrong.  But this is just one time, and therefore statistically irrelevant.

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You can select whether you want your opponent to be able to see your deck or not. He must have had that option turned off.

 

Also, there are several cards to bring back energy from your discard pile into your deck. I'm sure he was playing several of them.

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You can select whether you want your opponent to be able to see your deck or not. He must have had that option turned off.

 

Also, there are several cards to bring back energy from your discard pile into your deck. I'm sure he was playing several of them.

 

Thank you,

I need to study these bloody cards.

Hahaha

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Typhlosion is good, I haven't played against it much but from what I've seen and heard it's either really effective or it flops fast. 

 

Had one one shot one of my exs yesterday, I still won but it does do some scary dmg. It also mills their deck very quickly. 

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that is the whole point of that deck. they get the cyndiquil, after mulligan like 4 or 5 times. Then they usually Skyla for rare candy the next turn, and just start destroying all of your mons. When you see a cyndiquil on your first turn, you have to make it your goal to destroy that thing before it evolves lol. Bc as SuperStone had stated, their decks are mostly energy, so that when they go for the massive eruption, it will KO just about anything. Although what format were you playing? I have not played that deck in some time


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that is the whole point of that deck. they get the cyndiquil, after mulligan like 4 or 5 times. Then they usually Skyla for rare candy the next turn, and just start destroying all of your mons. When you see a cyndiquil on your first turn, you have to make it your goal to destroy that thing before it evolves lol. Bc as SuperStone had stated, their decks are mostly energy, so that when they go for the massive eruption, it will KO just about anything. Although what format were you playing? I have not played that deck in some time

 

 

Thanks for the tips. That's exactly what they did.

I was playing standard deck format.

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You can enlarge a card by hovering over it or clicking.

 

Just solved the problem.

I play on a laptop,

I was looking at game settings just now and found the screen resolution was set to default 1280 x 720 which caused the text to be very blurry. I thought it was my bloody eye sight going bad, but after changing the screen resolution to 1920 x 1080 in game settings everything looks much better now, still small but much better.

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Ok. I have a new problem.

How does Fire type pokemon have weakness x2 to Fighting type pokemon when fighting against Zoroak with a break card?

 

I have no idea how he peformed that attack.

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Ok. I have a new problem.

How does Fire type pokemon have weakness x2 to Fighting type pokemon when fighting against Zoroak with a break card?

 

I have no idea how he peformed that attack.

 

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking since I don't see the relevance in either the fighting type or Zoroark (Zoroark is a dark type), but have you looked around on the field? Flareon, Jolteon and Vaporeon for example have an ability that makes every of the player's Pokémon on the field respectively fire, electric and water types in addition to their own types. So if he had a Vaporeon on his bench, his Zoroark would have been a Dark and Water type, thus hitting for x2 damage on your fire Pokémon.

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I'm not sure exactly what you're asking since I don't see the relevance in either the fighting type or Zoroark (Zoroark is a dark type), but have you looked around on the field? Flareon, Jolteon and Vaporeon for example have an ability that makes every of the player's Pokémon on the field respectively fire, electric and water types in addition to their own types. So if he had a Vaporeon on his bench, his Zoroark would have been a Dark and Water type, thus hitting for x2 damage on your fire Pokémon.

 

Sorry I meant to say darkness type (not fighting).

He had two Vaporeon EX cards on his bench.

Thanks for the help.

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  • 2 weeks later...

Game log

 

    156. It is now arobledo2's turn (Turn #12).
    157. arobledo2 drew a card.
    158. arobledo2 put Keldeo-EX onto the Bench.
    159. arobledo2 played Professor's Letter.
    160. arobledo2 drew Water Energy.
    161. arobledo2 drew Water Energy.
    162. arobledo2 played Fisherman.
    163. arobledo2's Blastoise used its Deluge Ability.
    164. arobledo2 attached a Water Energy to Keldeo-EX.
    165. arobledo2 attached a Water Energy to Keldeo-EX.
    166. arobledo2 attached a Water Energy to Keldeo-EX.
    167. arobledo2 attached a Water Energy to Keldeo-EX.
    168. arobledo2 attached a Water Energy to Keldeo-EX.
    169. arobledo2 attached a Water Energy to Keldeo-EX.
    170. arobledo2's Blastoise retreated.
    171. arobledo2's Keldeo-EX used its Rush In Ability.
    172. Keldeo-EX became arobledo2's new Active Pokémon.
    173. arobledo2's Keldeo-EX used its Rush In attack.
  

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Just played a guy who put 6 water enegies on Keldeo Ex in one turn. Is this possible?

I'll check the game log

Blastoise's ability Deluge allows the user to attach as many water energy from their hand as they want to their pokemon.
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Blastoise's ability Deluge allows the user to attach as many water energy from their hand as they want to their pokemon.

 

That's evil.

Hahahaha

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Yea blastoise deluge ability, enabled you to put water energy from your hand as much as you want.

 

I kinda sure he got bladtoise setup by using archie in the hole

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Just for future reference, you need to read what each of the cards do, which can be easily done by hovering the cursor over the card you want to look at.

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Well, you've answered the question there. The only thing wrong with this is that there is no "Rush In attack" on Keldeo-EX; that's only the ability name.

Then again, 171 should have happened before 170, if the activation of the ability is what caused Blastoise to retreat.

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