Night March should be in Expanded ?

[JmEsg]

I had encountered a lot of night march decks and I also beat some of them too but this time with the new Item It became much more harder . I mean just a few cards can dish out damage with few energies. and note that because of the new item(Fury Belt) I mean the fury belt opens up a new way of tcg strats but actually Its been abused by the night march players especially only a few deck can counter Night march and those deck cant win much on other deck .I think the win rate of Night March is at 70% up and should not be in standard format.

 

This is only my opinion , sorry If this may offend NM users.

[Xensor]

it will never become expanded. so no point of the thread. as it already been stated: it will not banned. nothing will happen to nm. its here. its gonna be around.

[chickenman2015]

It will become expanded in a few months, after worlds.

[graywh]

It will become expanded in a few months, after worlds.

 

That's just speculation.

[MaSkullzOnFire]

You can find Night March users in all formats of play. The trouble of using it in Expanded and Unlimited, however, is that there are a lot more cards that can effectively counter the deck. Something which I love especially when using Lysandre's Trump Card.

[chickenman2015]

That's just speculation.

Are they getting reprinted in Generations?

[graywh]

Are they getting reprinted in Generations?

 

No, but no one knows what the next rotation will be.

[Adhir1995]

rotation may happen when a new set comes out, when did BW original get rotated out

[NiñoMutante]

I had encountered a lot of night march decks and I also beat some of them too but this time with the new Item It became much more harder . I mean just a few cards can dish out damage with few energies. and note that because of the new item(Fury Belt) I mean the fury belt opens up a new way of tcg strats but actually Its been abused by the night march players especially only a few deck can counter Night march and those deck cant win much on other deck .I think the win rate of Night March is at 70% up and should not be in standard format.

 

This is only my opinion , sorry If this may offend NM users.

 

If your concern is that tool don't worry too much. The key to beat nightmarch is disrupting their gameplay not to finish off every pokemon. Adding one or two Jirachi promos to your deck does wonders and maybe a couple of enhanced hammers, Seismitoad, Pyroar, Garbodor, bats... you name it.

 

Just don't try to win old style, it probably won't work. Good luck mate

[GonzoMD1993]

Like Xensor stated, they cant ban NM, period. Balance changes are beyond the PTCGOs staff jurisdiction.

 

As to the rotation, idk either when I'll happen. When it does happen, however, NM will be gone from standard, although not for balance reasons.

[seminc]

Are they getting reprinted in Generations?

Like Xensor stated, they cant ban NM, period. Balance changes are beyond the PTCGOs staff jurisdiction.

 

As to the rotation, idk either when I'll happen. When it does happen, however, NM will be gone from standard, although not for balance reasons

 

 

 

Pardon me for saying this, but logic points to PHF-on for 2017.

 

 

 

Average rotation is 4 sets.

 

4 sets = KSS-XY-FLF-Furious Fists

 

 

 

Kalos Starter Set is apparently considered a main set, as they rotated to it instead of XY Base Set for 2016.

 

 

 

Also, NM is not that much of a plague IRL, as Jirachi is so much easier to obtain. (Also, a majority of people playing the competitive scene actually use Skill Decks, and are not just trying to grind packs by the cheapest way possible.) Therefore, my money is on PHF-on.

 

Edit* fixed erratic censoring of set abbreviations.

[chickenman2015]

Pardon me for saying this, but logic points to PHF-on for 2017.

 

 

 

Average rotation is 4 sets.

 

4 sets = KSS-XY-FLF-Furious Fists

 

 

 

Kalos Starter Set is apparently considered a main set, as they rotated to it instead of XY Base Set for 2016.

 

 

 

Also, NM is not that much of a plague IRL, as Jirachi is so much easier to obtain. (Also, a majority of people playing the competitive scene actually use Skill Decks, and are not just trying to grind packs by the cheapest way possible.) Therefore, my money is on PHF-on.

 

Edit* fixed erratic censoring of set abbreviations.

 

Ohhhh, my bad, totally skipped over KSS.

[graywh]

Ohhhh, my bad, totally skipped over KSS.

 

Easy to do.  It's just the 3 theme decks that were released around the same time as Legendary Treasures.

[Deja_Entendu]

NM is easy. Get rid of their DCE and you win. If you are running a fighting type deck, wear a focus sash so you can take two of them out for one. Item lock them. There is a lot of different ways to beat that junk deck.

[seminc]

rotation may happen when a new set comes out, when did BW original get rotated out

Black & White was rotated in September 2013, for the NXD on 2014 season.

[Felidae_]

 

 

 

Also, NM is not that much of a plague IRL, as Jirachi is so much easier to obtain. (Also, a majority of people playing the competitive scene actually use Skill Decks, and are not just trying to grind packs by the cheapest way possible.)

 

 

 

Just a quick note on this:

 

 

 

Based on data from the recent City Championships Series we have a raw meta share of 14,36% for Nightmarch ( placing 2^nd behind Yveltal/Zoroark with 14.53 %), and it even takes first place if you only take the last 2-3 weeks into consideration (14.34%), due to the fact that Yveltal/Zoroark fell to 12,52% and the rest of the field gained some percentage points.

 

 

 

While BP has obviously shifted the meta, adding new cards / decks into the mix, it remains evident that Night March continues to be one of the most dominant decks in the format.

 

 

 

I'd however agree with you that the deck doesn't resemble any problem IRL at all, because the average tournament player is aware of the fact that certain decks have a better win chance overall than other decks and playing to / with the meta is essential if you want to win on a regular basis.

 

 

 

It should also be noted that, in contrast to popular opinion, Night March takes more skill to pilot really well, as one might initially think. Sure, you'll have games where it essentially just comes down to drowning your entire deck in a single turn and then proceed to attack for a good amount of damage, however playing against another competitive deck usually requires more than this, which is why we often see familiar ***** in the top 8 of larger tournaments.

[Xensor]

Just a quick note on this:

 

 

 

Based on data from the recent City Championships Series we have a raw meta share of 14,36% for Nightmarch ( placing 2^nd behind Yveltal/Zoroark with 14.53 %), and it even takes first place if you only take the last 2-3 weeks into consideration (14.34%), due to the fact that Yveltal/Zoroark fell to 12,52% and the rest of the field gained some percentage points.

 

 

 

While BP has obviously shifted the meta, adding new cards / decks into the mix, it remains evident that Night March continues to be one of the most dominant decks in the format.

 

 

 

I'd however agree with you that the deck doesn't resemble any problem IRL at all, because the average tournament player is aware of the fact that certain decks have a better win chance overall than other decks and playing to / with the meta is essential if you want to win on a regular basis.

 

 

 

It should also be noted that, in contrast to popular opinion, Night March takes more skill to pilot really well, as one might initially think. Sure, you'll have games where it essentially just comes down to drowning your entire deck in a single turn and then proceed to attack for a good amount of damage, however playing against another competitive deck usually requires more than this, which is why we often see familiar ***** in the top 8 of larger tournaments.

i can actually confirm. nm decks do take more then what people think to run. you can and will deck out before you would ko the opponent 6 pokemon. so you have to watch how you do the discards and make sure your reshuffling to be sure you dont deck out.

[seminc]

 

 

 

Just a quick note on this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Based on data from the recent City Championships Series we have a raw meta share of 14,36% for Nightmarch ( placing 2^nd behind Yveltal/Zoroark with 14.53 %), and it even takes first place if you only take the last 2-3 weeks into consideration (14.34%), due to the fact that Yveltal/Zoroark fell to 12,52% and the rest of the field gained some percentage points.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While BP has obviously shifted the meta, adding new cards / decks into the mix, it remains evident that Night March continues to be one of the most dominant decks in the format.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd however agree with you that the deck doesn't resemble any problem IRL at all, because the average tournament player is aware of the fact that certain decks have a better win chance overall than other decks and playing to / with the meta is essential if you want to win on a regular basis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It should also be noted that, in contrast to popular opinion, Night March takes more skill to pilot really well, as one might initially think. Sure, you'll have games where it essentially just comes down to drowning your entire deck in a single turn and then proceed to attack for a good amount of damage, however playing against another competitive deck usually requires more than this, which is why we often see familiar ***** in the top 8 of larger tournaments.

You're right, I should have clarified...

 

My point was, that usually a deck that monopolizes the city championships will not do as well in states, nationals, or worlds, as people become steadily more aware of the best counters. There are exceptions of course, as well as decks that don't get played UNTIL Nationals/Worlds. But that was what I meant, I just probably did ******** job of explaining my point lol .

[graywh]

rotation may happen when a new set comes out, when did BW original get rotated out

 

 

Black & White was rotated in September 2013, for the NXD on 2014 season.

 

The yearly rotation usually happens in early September, after the World Championships in August.  They rotate 4 sets on average, but the past 4 rotations have been 5, 3, 3, and 5, respectively.  It's believed the introduction of Ancient Traits indicates the next standard format will be PRC-on.  Recent rotations have been based around the introduction of a new series (B&W, XY), EX pokemon (DEX), and ACE Spec (BCR).  [Also note that the current run of type-specific special energy started with Strong energy in FFI.]  However, we won't know for sure until it's announced.

[Felidae_]

You're right, I should have clarified...

 

My point was, that usually a deck that monopolizes the city championships will not do as well in states, nationals, or worlds, as people become steadily more aware of the best counters. There are exceptions of course, as well as decks that don't get played UNTIL Nationals/Worlds. But that was what I meant, I just probably did ******** job of explaining my point lol .

 

Could have also been me derping a bit / not understanding it correctly .

 

Would be funny though if we'd reach a stage where NM is considered a “rogue” deck, but I suppose we'd need way more flexible counters for this to happen in the near future.

[awesome_guy]

i can actually confirm. nm decks do take more then what people think to run. you can and will deck out before you would ko the opponent 6 pokemon. so you have to watch how you do the discards and make sure your reshuffling to be sure you dont deck out.

what? lol? I don't think I've seen a night march deck out since around November (in about 100+ matches vs nightmarch)

 

though nightmarch does require skill to pilot, it takes some exceptional skill to deck out- even with nightmarch..

 

and shuffling is a very ridiculous option in nightmarch as it completely ruins the consistency (if more than 1 tech shuffle card is included)

[chickenman2015]

what? lol? I don't think I've seen a night march deck out since around November (in about 100+ matches vs nightmarch)

 

though nightmarch does require skill to pilot, it takes some exceptional skill to deck out- even with nightmarch..

 

and shuffling is a very ridiculous option in nightmarch as it completely ruins the consistency (if more than 1 tech shuffle card is included)

 

I have to agree here, back when I played NM(when Mew-ex was standard) I maybe decked out once, even after LTC was banned, and even when I play decks like it(like vespimarch variants) I never really deck out, even if I have to KO 6 Pokémon. Now decks that deck out faster than NM IMO are Unlimited Archie's Blastoise, Shiftry, and Speed Ho-oh, but fortunately all those decks are Unlimited only so you can use LTC!