Copy and paste noobs

[Cubchoo103]

Why does nobody try to come up with their own strategy? They just try to look up whatever is the most OP build and copy/paste.. where's your competitive spirit?? Do you honestly think that takes skill? How is it even fun? I just don't get the point, sure you may get some MINDLESS and EASY wins and I understand if you're trying to grind the ladder but wouldn't it feel better to EARN your way up with some LEGITIMATE wins? (meaning YOU actually had something to do with the win, and not just relying on your copy and paste "skills" as a crutch)

[Pika36521]

I understand and agree in part with that perspective, but I think you're forgetting there are a lot of kids playing this game, and unless you want them to act like they're 25, having the most powerful something is part of being a child, and a 10 year old child doesn't have the intelligence necessary to come up with a new deck. Plus, you're playing against people with various intellects and cultures, and more important, not everyone wants to make the effort and try to be the best, but rather look the best on that moment.

[Xensor]

Why does nobody try to come up with their own strategy? They just try to look up whatever is the most OP build and copy/paste.. where's your competitive spirit?? Do you honestly think that takes skill? How is it even fun? I just don't get the point, sure you may get some MINDLESS and EASY wins and I understand if you're trying to grind the ladder but wouldn't it feel better to EARN your way up with some LEGITIMATE wins? (meaning YOU actually had something to do with the win, and not just relying on your copy and paste "skills" as a crutch)

and so what dude? it doesnt matter ok if they copy or not.. the game gives them deck wizard that makes the deck for em.

[Deja_Entendu]

and so what dude? it doesnt matter ok if they copy or not.. the game gives them deck wizard that makes the deck for em.

hahaha. who uses deck wizard?

[NiñoMutante]

I do AGREE so much with this post.

The game has become so gimmicky that just looking at the energy icons at the beginning of the match you already know what you are facing

Psychic + Fighting = Bats + Landorus or Mega Mewtwo X or similar
Water + Dragon + Dark = Seismitoad + Giratina + Yveltal
Electric / Water = Manectric + Regice

 

Obviously not a rule but you get the idea.

I love people who really try to come up with new ideas, even if these decks are not so effective but at least the are enjoying the game the way it should be and using their own imagination...

 

Edit: Oh I forgot, Water + Grass + Metal = hateful archie's blastoise

[Xensor]

hahaha. who uses deck wizard?

ik but this guy is complaining the game gives them a easier way of making a deck. atleast copying they can learn on how to make a better deck. and the site itself gives ideas to use. i mean nm for real. it gives that clear as day

[Felidae_]

While you are obviously entitled to your opinion your post just seems so freaking simple minded.

 

Why are you able to decided what is “fun” and what is not ?

Why does your idea of a “legitimate win” has to be the benchmark of other peoples experience ?

Who are you to be able to refer to other players as “Noobs” and “unskilled”, based on their choice of decks ?

 

Whether you want to play a top deck, your own creation or a mixture of both should be entirely up to you, as long as you are able to enjoy yourself.

[RogueSpecter]

Why does nobody try to come up with their own strategy? They just try to look up whatever is the most OP build and copy/paste.. where's your competitive spirit?? Do you honestly think that takes skill? How is it even fun? I just don't get the point, sure you may get some MINDLESS and EASY wins and I understand if you're trying to grind the ladder but wouldn't it feel better to EARN your way up with some LEGITIMATE wins? (meaning YOU actually had something to do with the win, and not just relying on your copy and paste "skills" as a crutch)

Not to be rude, but if you think "net-decks" are an issue, then you probably haven't been playing TCG's all that long.....

I've been playing several TCG's for the past 17 years. Trying to re-invent the wheel when the current one provides consistent  results is pointless to some degree. I mean yeah, you can go ahead with the special snowflake deck concepts, but it will only carry you so far!

 

That's not to say when you are playing casually that using a created deck is a bad thing or even encouraged, but when it comes to tourneys or playing "League" the most you will ever see is slight alterations to the most popular meta decks. This is how TCG/CCG's work! 

 

31 years old, played several card games, pokemon still has more variation/forgivable mechanics to deck building than say MTG/Warcraft TCG/ Hearthstone/ Yu Gi/ etc...etc...

 

So to summarize, if you cant get over net-decking, then maybe TCG's aren't your thing! Again, not trying to be rude, but someone needed to say it!

 

Edit: 

 

Years and years ago.... I thought the same way the OP did, it's natural to be bothered by unoriginal net/shared decks (aka shared when the net wasn't a real thing back when I played competitively with Gen 1 back in the late 90's) back then, we had to share decks building strats at events with other players we knew or players that paid in trade for good deck ideas from semi-pro's.

 

I remember being rattled by the concept, but it's something you move past and just learn to enjoy the game! In all honesty though, it's not what you really put in your deck that determines "skill" it's HOW you pilot your deck that does! 

 

Take that into consideration. 

[PKTyrantrum]

The way I see it:

 

If you're playing casually and just to enjoy the fun of the game (like I am), you'd create whatever decks you'd like without worrying about the rampancy of meta-decks.

If you're playing competitively/seriously, then you'd seek the most competitive decks yourself too.

 

And because of the way the Versus mode matching system works, you can always find a comfortable level of play eventually after the statistics stabilize.

[GonzoMD1993]

There's so much wrong with your post I don't even know where to start xd Although the others have already said most of what I was thinking, so I'll just throw in my 2 cents.

 

Anyone who is getting started of competitive gameplay SHOULD start out with copy/pasted decks. At that point in time, they lack both the knowledge and experience to build their own custom decks. By experimenting with pre-built decks, they familiarize themselves with the different aspects of the game.

[fr33land]

I don't know, a lot of cards have obvious synergy. I'm sure people come up with the same idea independently. We're here on these forums to consult with people who have tried similar things because we like our decks and want to try and make them more competitive generally, no?
I've seen plenty of people with a meta deck ********** able to make them work, I count myself among them. I think I like to try many different ideas to see how they work, whether I enjoy them or not and if they are winners.
I'm trying Night March, a deck I despised because it beat me so often. Go ahead and try the NM list on pokemon.com. . . it's pretty easy to lose with that deck too, eh? There's no such thing as an idiot proof list.

I built Archie's Blastoise because it looked like fun. . . and it is.  What's fun about it is trying to make Archie's work, it actually takes some practice and skill.

[Xensor]

I don't know, a lot of cards have obvious synergy. I'm sure people come up with the same idea independently. We're here on these forums to consult with people who have tried similar things because we like our decks and want to try and make them more competitive generally, no?

I've seen plenty of people with a meta deck ********** able to make them work, I count myself among them. I think I like to try many different ideas to see how they work, whether I enjoy them or not and if they are winners.

I'm trying Night March, a deck I despised because it beat me so often. Go ahead and try the NM list on pokemon.com. . . it's pretty easy to lose with that deck too, eh? There's no such thing as an idiot proof list.

I built Archie's Blastoise because it looked like fun. . . and it is.  What's fun about it is trying to make Archie's work, it actually takes some practice and skill.

nm/vispiquen can be fun but i took the bee out and just did nm. and you would not believe how many ppl got mad about it. i had one told me to get a real life loser. i thought it was funny. he had bee revenge infront of me. goes to show you how much of a loser i am huh. to be honest some of the decks i wanted to try out came from the pokemon site itself. like mewtwo and metal energy, the rayquaza deck. and some more.

 

but to be honest i like my own that i created tho. but i did actually see that some of the items came helpful so i used them more.

 

its how we learn. even veterans do it to get a better idea of what to use and what not to use. or to see if that deck may be more better for em.

 

i am psychic and dark but there isnt many ideas around that to make a good solid hard deck that can be hard to beat.

[pokemasterTz]

I disagree. Net-decking is a good way for new players to learn the ropes. Sure, it might not be creative, but that doesn't mean you judge them for it. Besides, most players just use it as a way to get started and learn the basics. Also, it is my firm belief that net-decks are inferior to your own anyways, because at a top tier level of competition, the way you win is by understanding your deck completely, and you just cannot do that with a net deck. Also, if you have a problem with seeing the same deck, why not come up with a way to counter it? Even if your playing the same list over and over again, each player you play against will use it differently. That's what's so cool about the PTCGO, there are so many ways of playing! Just because you have a good list does not mean you play well. Also, please remember to use a respectful tone, as it is getting a bit too hostile.

[JimiCobain27]

 

 

 

Why does nobody try to come up with their own strategy? They just try to look up whatever is the most OP build and copy/paste.. where's your competitive spirit?? Do you honestly think that takes skill? How is it even fun? I just don't get the point, sure you may get some MINDLESS and EASY wins and I understand if you're trying to grind the ladder but wouldn't it feel better to EARN your way up with some LEGITIMATE wins? (meaning YOU actually had something to do with the win, and not just relying on your copy and paste "skills" as a crutch)

 

 

I used to feel the same way, and part of me still does, but I've also come to learn that speaking the way you just did doesn't really come across well on this forum, so just try to get a point across calmly and people will be more open to have a nice, rational discussion about it.

 

 

 

Putting together decks is one of my favourite parts of this game, I've come up with custom decks that have incredible win rates and I've also come up with decks that just lose miserably but are still fun to play, and I still use them sometimes because having fun is what the game is about for me, I'm not usually overly competitive like many people are, and I can understand why they are that way.

 

 

 

As for "copying/pasting" deck lists, it does show a lack of creativity, but as some have stated, "why meddle with a reliable system?" I've copied some deck lists before to see how they go, but I almost always try and put my own spin on it by adding or subtracting certain cards, obviously leading to mixed results.

 

 

 

I have this really strange ****** for repetition, so using the same deck over and over and over again gets incredibly tiresome for me, so I'm always trying to change it up and make new decks. Experimenting with how different cards go together is pat of the beauty of this game, and so I would urge people to trying having a bit more fun with that and not ALWAYS copying decks, but still, everyone has their own way of playing.

 

 

 

Not to mention that every deck list that somebody puts up was created by someone just like you or me, putting cards together and seeing how it goes. so who knows, keep mixing it up and you might stumble across the best formula for a deck that anyone has ever seen. But then we would want you to post the list so we can copy you, and therein lies the cycle.

[Xensor]

the exact reason is cause its for people who don't know how to make a deck real good. like one person i went against having 47 psychic energies 3 psychic pokemon and 9 trainers. those are the ones who needs them. some of use veterans still do it cause it helps us make better decks with types we dont normally use. i am a psychic and dark but i still ask for advice to make a better one. its about trying to out do your opponent. thats what the game is about. if your deck can win thats good but its better if it can out beat another deck that has the same type as you and is weak against yours as well same as yours being weak against that type. like psychic vs psychic.

[Fields_Heron]

A wild Night March appeared! No way! I see that smiling kid avatar playing with a Night March.

Me: Go, Gourgeist. Use Eerie voice! I love that! 
Night Marcher: Go, Mew. Use Night March!
Me: I sent my second Gourgeist. I use Toxic Laser. Gourgeist, use Spirit Scream!

Night Marcher: ...Conceded the game.

 

No offense to Night March, but  it is too predictable and boring.

 

Talking about the post, in that case everybody needs to lock their decks after the game ends. Wait a sec! There are a lot of good deck list on Internet. There will always be  people like that, no just the game, but entire life. It is good to know copyright exists!

 

By the way, I agree to Pokémaster Tz! He is right!

[Xensor]

A wild Night March appeared! No way! I see that smiling kid avatar playing with a Night March.

 

Me: Go, Gourgeist. Use Eerie voice! I love that! 

Night Marcher: Go, Mew. Use Night March!

Me: I sent my second Gourgeist. I use Toxic Laser. Gourgeist, use Spirit Scream!

Night Marcher: ...Conceded the game.

 

No offense to Night March, but  it is too predictable and boring.

 

Talking about the post, in that case everybody needs to lock their decks after the game ends. Wait a sec! There are a lot of good deck list on Internet. There will always be  people like that, no just the game, but entire life. It is good to know copyright exists!

 

By the way, I agree to Pokémaster Tz! He is right!

yea nm is easy to beat. i can prove it by playing it. if your talking about me. then you see why i state its easy to beat. its not hard. I knew its weakness when i joined the online version. i am a gen 1 player it had something similar just not as strong. thats the only difference. but everyone needs to learn from somewhere.

 

how do they think the other ones who been playing for so long knows how to make a deck. heck i have a rl deck that is on my own and one that is based on a good friend of mine that went to japan and played there.

 

i bet some players here don't even know what pokemon was once called.

 

hehe. i got some of those cards tho. not the whole set  from that time  but i do have some.

 

me i just use nm for fun and tournments and sometimes for a daily challenge. even tho that do back fire sometimes but it does have its ups and downs.

[danielpeebles]

quite often I'll start over and get a deck list, but that will be edited about as often as I use the deck.

 

I love how people will act like since you are playing them with a certain deck that
1. it's the only deck you use, obviously, based on their sample size of one game with you.

2. they are the only one's with skill... when you've seen the deck they've used before, or you can obviously tell from their deck they don't know what they are talking about.

 

this game is mostly for fun.

 

there is some skill and strategy involved, but if you've played it awhile, there are only so many basic combinations that are workable.  some decks work better than others.  if you don't like it, play chess or checkers.