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Is it actually just me, or does the coin actually feel either broken or rigged?

 

This happens especially in Trainer Challenges.

 

The player flips tails nine times out of ten, while the opponent flips heads nine times out of ten.

 

There are these guaranteed gross games where you deal no damage at all or your Pokémon never wakes up, resulting in unavoidable defeat. As for the pay-to-win elitists, they flip heads over a dozen times in a row, dealing a large amount of damage every single game. As for the computer players, they flip heads twenty times over. As for the average players, we get almost nothing but tails, as if this online game were a Las Vegas casino where everything is rigged. In the physical card game, a streak of bad luck like this would be a one-in-a-million turnout.

 

Even the packs feel rigged. In the physical card game, one player can get at least one rare card (i.e. one reverse-holo or better) every pack, but no, the only cards in the packs themselves are nothing but useless cards, even in the ten-card packs, unless the pack was obtained through a tutorial.

 

Seriously, this has to stop.

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Actually, the coin flipping is random.  Well, as random as a computer can be.  

 

The thing is, most people secretly expect that previous coin flips will affect their future coin flips.  You know, it flipped tails last time, it can't possible flip tails again!

 

There is no streakbreaking to coin flips and no bias.  It just flips.

 

We have thousands and thousands of people playing the game on any given day and when you look at all those coin flips, yes it is 50% of the time heads and 50% of the time tails.

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50% Single Coin Flips

 

and

 

I think Multiple Coin Flips

is 

1st

50%

2nd

25%

3rd

12.5%

....half every time 

 

I am not sure about the multiple coin flips

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There is no streakbreaking to coin flips and no bias.  It just flips.

 

We have thousands and thousands of people playing the game on any given day and when you look at all those coin flips, yes it is 50% of the time heads and 50% of the time tails.

Given previous discussions on this matter, the complaints aren't that streaks happen, but that they're happening "too often".  Any given sample (one game or one specific attack) there will always be deviations from the ideal 50:50, but if you record statistics over many games and many flips they should even out -- which is why I think a summary of coinflip statistics needs to be added to the game log.

 

For example, if I had Vanilluxe flip 9 coins and got only one heads (true story!), that's definitely an unusual streak, but the odds are actually about 1 in 56, certainly uncommon but not quite as rare as you might think (because 9 flips means 512 permutations and the one heads could have occurred on any one of the nine flips; the actual probability is 9 / 512).  On the other hand, if this was the only set of flips in the game that came out so streaky, then I can only assume it was a fluke (and the long term coinflip statistics should verify that).

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Even when talking about physical coins, you actually have a 51% chance of getting the same side you flipped from. Since you start out with heads, shouldn't we be getting heads 51% of the time? I get that same-side streaks happen even with coin flipping apps, but they are not as long compared to this game's streak of flipping tails. The programming of the coin needs to be fixed so that it does not feel as bad because it really feels as if the game is actually rigged.

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You can't "feel" how random something is. The human brain is terrible at grasping the concept of randomness. If you want to properly test how random this game is, go into a game right now and start recording all your flips. Only with a large sample are you going to convince anyone that there's something wrong. As it is, all I see is anecdotes, which are prone to confirmance bias.

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Hello there!
 

I just played a best of 3 match against one of my friends. He was using a Seismitoad Deck with a lot of Flip Cards! 

 

Game 1: 3/4 Crushing Hammer Heads 2/4 Laser Heads AND I STAY ASLEEP!
Game 2: 2/3 Crushing Hammer Heads

Game 3: 4 LASERS HEADS AND I STAY ASLEEP THE FOLLOWING TURNS FOR ALL 4 LASERS!

FIX IT. 

This is outrageous!! There's a 0.00390625 CHANCE OF THIS HAPPENING! This isn't the first time. PTCGO's Shuffling and Flipping is HORRIBLE. This is an URGENT ISSUE. If more of this continues, your customer base would be ALL GONE BECAUSE OF THIS INSANITY!! I have not seen ONE GAME in a REAL LIFE TOURNAMENT or ANY OTHER SIMULATOR get 4 LASER HEADS ON SLEEP and 4 SLEEP TAILS!

 

Not a coincidence. It's an urgent issue and the developers KNOW IT. Admit the issue, and fix it! It's not a "I will submit your feedback to the developers" issue, it's a "The DEVELOPERS NEED TO FIX IT" issue. 

 

I don't care what reason I get, JUST FIX IT! This isn't the first time this has happened!
 

Thanks Mods :)

 

P.S. Did I say this is not a "I'll submit your feedback to the development team for consideration" answer!?!?! 

 

Everyone will APPRECIATE their jobs if they actually get the MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE GAME correct. Create a new formula for flipping! Whatever formula this is, it either gives ALMOST ALL TAILS or ALMOST ALL HEADS. no 50, 50!!!

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I have a suggestion.

 

For every flip, it generates a number from 1 to 8..

 

The odd numbers are "TRUE" (or Heads)

The even numbers are "FALSE" (or Tails)

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Hear, hear!

 

What annoys me in these situations is that when your opponent is powered up and you're still powering up, if your opponent puts your active Pokémon asleep just when you can attack on your next turn, your Pokémon will stay asleep as though it has given up the will to live.

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Hear, hear!

 

What annoys me in these situations is that when your opponent is powered up and you're still powering up, if your opponent puts your active Pokémon asleep just when you can attack on your next turn, your Pokémon will stay asleep as though it has given up the will to live.

 

That isn't the problem :( I had gotten JUST 1 CORRECT FLIP IN GAME 3, I would have won the Best of 3 Series. But nope, 8 flips, 4 heads for him, 4 tails for me, wonderful. 

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I have experienced this too, especially with the flip to decide who goes first. When ever I had the chance to flip it would almost always be tails which let me go first at least 10 times in a row.  (And also, there may be a bug for the sinister suggestion Drowzee that makes the sleep flips tails even between turns)

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I think eevee u r right, causing once i was battling a toad deck and when it used crushing hammer, all of them were heads and only 1 laser flipped tails, while the other were heads, and when my turn came i would be asleep, (not so long and once 1 woke up of the 3) the only reason i could win that match was because toad used up all of its energies. So i think the problem might be with laser and hammer flips.

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I agree with this. I noticed there is a streak when you get tails. Unluckily, I have found myself to be one of the unlucky ones so much so that I do not use cards that needs to flip a coin...

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Hello there!

 

I just played a best of 3 match against one of my friends. He was using a Seismitoad Deck with a lot of Flip Cards! 

 

Game 1: 3/4 Crushing Hammer Heads 2/4 Laser Heads AND I STAY ASLEEP!

Game 2: 2/3 Crushing Hammer Heads

Game 3: 4 LASERS HEADS AND I STAY ASLEEP THE FOLLOWING TURNS FOR ALL 4 LASERS!

FIX IT. 

This is outrageous!! There's a 0.00390625 CHANCE OF THIS HAPPENING! This isn't the first time. PTCGO's Shuffling and Flipping is HORRIBLE. This is an URGENT ISSUE. If more of this continues, your customer base would be ALL GONE BECAUSE OF THIS INSANITY!! I have not seen ONE GAME in a REAL LIFE TOURNAMENT or ANY OTHER SIMULATOR get 4 LASER HEADS ON SLEEP and 4 SLEEP TAILS!

 

Not a coincidence. It's an urgent issue and the developers KNOW IT. Admit the issue, and fix it! It's not a "I will submit your feedback to the developers" issue, it's a "The DEVELOPERS NEED TO FIX IT" issue. 

 

I don't care what reason I get, JUST FIX IT! This isn't the first time this has happened!

 

Thanks Mods :)

 

P.S. Did I say this is not a "I'll submit your feedback to the development team for consideration" answer!?!?! 

 

Everyone will APPRECIATE their jobs if they actually get the MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE GAME correct. Create a new formula for flipping! Whatever formula this is, it either gives ALMOST ALL TAILS or ALMOST ALL HEADS. no 50, 50!!!

I have to intervene here atleast for your 3rd game.

 

If you were 4 times the unlucky player to fall asleep during the laser flip and then don't hit the heads when your turn starts - this means you'd woked up in between.

The main problem here is that every single flip is a new flip of its own so your chance of staying asleep should be 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4. The other times your opponent played the dreaded card to his greatest luck is always a new flip. And this means the probability for a new try is again 0.5 to hit the heads or tails.

 

Back to the main topic: Basically I don't see the problem with the coin flips.

If looking back at games I had some luck and misfortune even in longer paths. But as said in other threads: one, two or three games which may go the opponents way with the coin flips will bring us the next time luck on our side. This was stated by moderators before: the coin flips are completely random and don't affect each other when looking back at earlier outcomes.

And this I said earlier too: if we have luck with coin flips we see it as given and don't think about it. But if we have no luck then we (this includes me as well, I'm furious at times too where I shouldn't be - but that's the reason why I don't play such coin flip related cards so I can say from my side, I either win or lose and when the opponent plays cards to his / her advantage and got the luck with coin flips then it is luck form him / her) always say: "That's impossible, such a bad luck can't exists." Here we most of the times forget our earlier "luck".

 

In the end it is 50-50 for both sides of the coin flip. But of course players won't complain or say anything if they have a streak of say like 8 out of 10 coin flips going their way, and this may go on one day as it is 'just their day' for luck.

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If ptcgo developers implemented a (what i consider and many more) true rng i suggested in another topic and gave it a month i'm sure everyone would notice the difference. Seeing as it probably won't be implemented, this is the last time i'm gonna mention it. Real shame, that's all i can say.

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HAHAHAHA and you tried to tell me to calm down. who's mad now brahhhh? don't be like that to the devs, they try their hardest :)

 

EDIT - Theres this guy his named keldeo dunno if you've ever heard of him :P

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Well i agree with eevee that's why i did a +1 on his post. Coin flips are really horrible sometimes in this game . And i can guess it from the recent tournaments i have played in game . In 3 constant tournaments i got tails in all 3 rounds for the beginning of the match so making it a total of 9 rounds in which i got tails everytime when i wished to have a head for myself . I can't say anything on the seismitoad deck though coz i have been playing it from last 4-5 days but i did not notice any problem with the coin flips with this deck and imo it was really 50-50 fair coin flips.


And yea toad deck is really very annoying if it gets heads everytime for the items cards being played by his user . Probably coin flips can be improved imo atleast the coin should be fair to both the players rather than giving advantage to a single player .


Well i have small history of the coin flips which were executed when i used crushing hammers and hypnotoxic laser in my seismitoad deck :

 

  • Match (1) :- CH ( 2 head / 2 tails) HL ( 1 head / 3 tails )
  • Match (2) :- CH ( 3 head / 1 tails) HL ( 2 head / 2 tails )
  • Match  3  :- CH ( 2 head / 2 tails) HL ( 2 head / 2 tails )
  • Match (4) :- CH ( 1 head / 3 tails) HL ( 0 head / 4 tails )
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I recorded this during my 4 matches in which i utilised my all Hypnotoxic Lasers (HL) and crushing hammer (CH) and it looks fair to me imo .And it can also be a coincidence when you are made to sleep for constant turns . This rarely happens though coz in my 4 matches my opponent pokemon woke up either at turn 2 or at turn 3 and the coin flips are random as well :mellow: .

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When a player can get 17-20 heads flips in a row for a "flip until you get tails" attack, then you know something is seriously wrong. 

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Well i agree with eevee that's why i did a +1 on his post. Coin flips are really horrible sometimes in this game . And i can guess it from the recent tournaments i have played in game . In 3 constant tournaments i got tails in all 3 rounds for the beginning of the match so making it a total of 9 rounds in which i got tails everytime when i wished to have a head for myself . I can't say anything on the seismitoad deck though coz i have been playing it from last 4-5 days but i did not notice any problem with the coin flips with this deck and imo it was really 50-50 fair coin flips.

 

 

And yea toad deck is really very annoying if it gets heads everytime for the items cards being played by his user . Probably coin flips can be improved imo atleast the coin should be fair to both the players rather than giving advantage to a single player .

 

 

Well i have small history of the coin flips which were executed when i used crushing hammers and hypnotoxic laser in my seismitoad deck :

 

  • Match (1) :- CH ( 2 head / 2 tails) HL ( 1 head / 3 tails )
  • Match (2) :- CH ( 3 head / 1 tails) HL ( 2 head / 2 tails )
  • Match  3  :- CH ( 2 head / 2 tails) HL ( 2 head / 2 tails )
  • Match (4) :- CH ( 1 head / 3 tails) HL ( 0 head / 4 tails )
  •  

I recorded this during my 4 matches in which i utilised my all Hypnotoxic Lasers (HL) and crushing hammer (CH) and it looks fair to me imo .And it can also be a coincidence when you are made to sleep for constant turns . This rarely happens though coz in my 4 matches my opponent pokemon woke up either at turn 2 or at turn 3 and the coin flips are random as well :mellow: .

 

Those results are nicer :) Getting 4 Laser heads, followed by 4 sleep tails is absurd :( I remember I stopped playing toad because I flip 7/8 tails  <_<

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Lol, i didn't thought that the game would go this far and for me, today i had very bad flips in 2nd and 3rd battle, so i lost the position, but i had good flips in 1st battle though...

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Lol, i didn't thought that the game would go this far and for me, today i had very bad flips in 2nd and 3rd battle, so i lost the position, but i had good flips in 1st battle though...

 

that's the problem! some games are very lucky, and some are the exact opposite! Why never 50/50!!

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For example, if I had Vanilluxe flip 9 coins and got only one heads (true story!), that's definitely an unusual streak, but the odds are actually about 1 in 56, certainly uncommon but not quite as rare as you might think (because 9 flips means 512 permutations and the one heads could have occurred on any one of the nine flips; the actual probability is 9 / 512).  On the other hand, if this was the only set of flips in the game that came out so streaky, then I can only assume it was a fluke (and the long term coinflip statistics should verify that).

Obviously, I'm not the only one experiencing this.

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I think it might be beyond the abilities of the ptcgo dev team to fix the problem with the human tendency to misjudge probabilities.

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