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When building a deck, what are the best Supporter Cards to take? I have a hard time deciding between cards like Cheren, Cilan, Bianca, Colress, Hugh, N, Juniper and Shauna. They all draw cards, but which of these are considered the best... and in general how many of each do you want to have in your deck?

 

Is Juniper better than Shauna? She draws you more cards, but your leftovers get discarded, while Shauna shuffles them back into the deck.

N is able to disrupt the opponent (or it may help him replacing a bad hand instead), while Colress only replaces your own hand, and potentially draws more. Which is better?

Cheren draws 3 random cards, while Cilan draws 3 basic Energy. So Cheren is potentially better, but with Cilan you always know what you're getting... Thoughts?

 

Lol, sorry if these are noob questions. :D

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In most decks it's standard to play 4x Juniper and 4x N.

These are the two most powerful draw supporters we have and therefore gives you the best chance of drawing into what you may need.

There is an errata against playing both Juniper and Sycamore in the same deck because it would simply be too good.

While there is not such rule against Cheren and Tierno.

 

However in certain decks Juniper can be pretty shaky when you have too many important resources that can't easily be recovered with cards like Sacred Ash or Super Rod.

 

Usually you want more than 12 supporters in a deck. The choice for the last ones tend to be a bit more tricky.

 

Shauna: Shuffle draw is great, but only drawing 5 cards is pretty mediocre. Nevertheless it's a very consistent supporter which will mainly have an advantage over Colress in the early stages of the game. While it also pretty much works in any kind of deck.

 

Colress: While you can usually rely on your Junipers and N to draw cards early game this card will serve as your main draw later in the game. The main disadvantage of this card is that you loose consistency early game and that you want to play a bench filling deck to fully utilize this card.

 

Random Receiver: This card allows you to focus on the supporters which are best for your deck (usually N and Juniper). It gives you amazing consistency in the early stages of the game but it comes at the cost of inconsistency later in the game if you heavily rely on this card.

 

Skyla: This card allows you to pull out that 1 specific card you may need to get going. Pretty much every stage 2 deck play 4 of this card for the ability to search out rare candy and ultra ball to get the stage 2 out as quickly as possible. It's also good in other decks where you don't need a lot of resources to get going and just searching for that 1 specific card can make a world of difference.

While if you have access to Tropical Beach this card can also function as a Draw supporter.

 

Bianca: This card lost a lot of it's niche when Shauna was introduced. However certain decks which can effectively empty their hand could still prefer this card. The main advantage with direct draw over shuffle draw is if you need more than 1 specific card in your hand to pull of a certain combo. However Skyla is almost always preferable for that specific job.

 

Cheren: Drawing only 3 cards is pretty weak. It can however be a better option than Bianca for direct draw. It's mainly effective when you already have a big hand of cards you want to keep. In which case Skyla is a better option most of the time. It's a pretty obscure niche that almost no decks are interested in.

 

Cilan: This is just a bad supporter when the item card Professor's Letter basically does the same thing. It used to be a decent supporter in Blastoise and Emboar related decks.

 

Hugh: Is usually seen as the bad version of Bianca. It is sometimes used in certain mill decks to prevent the opponent from just keeping a big hand and later shuffle in all off those cards with the help of N. Another notable niche is that it can work well with cards that requires hand sizes to be matched.

 

Jirachi EX: This card can also substitute the need of some supporters and have become standard in many decks. You can use Level Ball or Ultra Ball to search for it and grab a supporter. The downside is that it takes up a bench spot, creates a risk of starting with it and can be an easy target for two prizes. However not having a supporter or getting what you need is usually even more dangerous.

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Thanks, that's pretty insightful.

I'm just wondering why is N considered to be so great? The best you get from him are 6 cards, but with every prize card taken it becomes less effective.

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Thanks, that's pretty insightful.

I'm just wondering why is N considered to be so great? The best you get from him are 6 cards, but with every prize card taken it becomes less effective.

 

N is most effective at the beginning of the game and when you are losing. In the beginning, its nearly a Juniper/Sycamore without losing your cards. Because both players must draw their number of prizes, your opponent can be stuck with a small hand allowing you to get back in the game (this is a strong benefit).

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Drawing 6 cards over 5 is actually a pretty big deal when you want every hand to contain at least 1 supporter.

 

Even though N gets weaker whenever you start taking prizes it's usually not a big deal at that point. If you are taking prizes you're likely already doing pretty well and have drawn what you need to get going.

While if you are off to a more poor start and the opponents ends up ahead in the prize race N will provide you with a lot of comeback potential by putting the opponent on a low hand size.

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Ever since Shauna was released, I've preferred to cut back on N somewhat in most decks (2 or 3 instead of 4) and replace the space with Shauna, because of N being less useful in the mid/end game if you're ahead, and because Shauna will not give your opponent free cards in the early game, making it more likely for them to draw dead and give you an unexpected advantage. I tend to run a high supporter count, so I will usually get one off a Shauna.

 

Otherwise that breakdown is spot on. I would like to add that Blacksmith is very useful in most fire-based decks, and 1 or 2 Lysandre is common in decks for its utility.

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There used to be an interesting debate between playing Professor Oak's New Theory (PONT for short) and N back during HGSS.

 

Generally any kind of deck which either required setup or could function well even with a low hand size during the end of the game preferred to play N over PONT simply because of the disruption factor.

Decks like Zekrom Eels, Darkrai and Vileplume could all utilize N well with this concept.

While decks which was designed to take quick prizes and required you to have a big hand size during the whole game heavily preferred PONT. Examples of such decks would be Celebi Mewtwo Tornadus (CMT) and Zekrom Pachirisu Tornadus Shaymin (ZPTS).

Since these very aggressive decks existed it definitely pushed the usage of N in other decks since the opponent was more likely to take the first prizes in these match-ups.

 

I think this debate does still somewhat apply to N and Shauna, even though Shauna is very significantly weaker than PONT. If you play a deck which is meant to take quick prizes and requires you to have a fairly large hand during the whole game you could definitely prefer playing more Shauna over N. Even though N still function as a Shauna when you have taken your first prize, having that additional draw later in the game could still make it worth a thought.

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  • 4 weeks later...

there's a few coming out in the next set too you might keep your eye on as well:

 

Fossil Researcher: this card lets you search your deck for up to 2 of the Restored pokemon that's released in Furious Fists and place them immediately on the bench, and while Tyrantum (evolution of Tyrunt) has massive power that he can use early if facing someone with Special energy attached, Aumorus (evolution of Amaura) is useful as a supporter of water decks as all your water pokemon with water energy attached recieved -20 damage from attacks.

 

Korrina: This is handy even if you only have only one fighting type in your deck (i.e. Flygon decks), it lets you search your deck for one fighting pokemon and one item card, adding them to your hand.

 

Battle Reporter: think of this as like Copycat, without the shuffle. simply put, you draw cards until you have the same number in your hand as your opponent. So if you've use up your useful cards and your opponent has a large hand, you can use this to build it back up again and continue.

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there's a few coming out in the next set too you might keep your eye on as well:

 

Fossil Researcher: this card lets you search your deck for up to 2 of the Restored pokemon that's released in Furious Fists and place them immediately on the bench, and while Tyrantum (evolution of Tyrunt) has massive power that he can use early if facing someone with Special energy attached, Aumorus (evolution of Amaura) is useful as a supporter of water decks as all your water pokemon with water energy attached recieved -20 damage from attacks.

 

Korrina: This is handy even if you only have only one fighting type in your deck (i.e. Flygon decks), it lets you search your deck for one fighting pokemon and one item card, adding them to your hand.

 

Battle Reporter: think of this as like Copycat, without the shuffle. simply put, you draw cards until you have the same number in your hand as your opponent. So if you've use up your useful cards and your opponent has a large hand, you can use this to build it back up again and continue.

Too bad it doesn't work if your hand is larger than your opponent's. I personally think that they should've just reprinted Copycat.

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it really just depends on what deck you're playing, if you play one with a lot of pokemon colress is the way to go, if you're making a deck that takes a long time o power up, make sure you have some wall pokemon with high hp or a good ability and use N. Shauna can work with some decks but it's not really that good. Consider a couple skylas aswell and maybe a lysandre or two

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I run a pretty consistent 4 N 4 Sycamore 2 Colress 1 Lysandre. Then depending on the deck I will add some additional cards like Skyla or Blacksmith. hope this helps :)

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