"I'm gonna do what I want because no one will stop me" HGSS cards

[heavyarms55]

Okay first off, let me say that if you're new and don't have a lot of cards on this program yet, then play in novice and use all the HGSS cards you want. You can't help that all the free cards are like that.

 

 

 

But if you clearly have a LOT of good rare cards, like say all the cards needed to build decks like Darkrai Hydreigon or Rayquaza Eels... Seriously, just stop.

 

 

 

In real life if you played against anyone competively you would NOT be allowed to use cards from Pre Black and White. PONT, Collector, Junk Arm, just no. those cards are outdated, illegal cards now. Just becase the computer doesn't FORCE you not to use them, doesn't mean you should.

 

 

 

The metality of "I'm gonna do whatever I want unless someone stops me" is childish at best. Those cards are still listed as legal because TCGO's developers have more important things to work on right now, like finishing trading and the Mac Client. So be a big boy or girl and play by the rules. It's really a shame that there are people who only follow rules if they are forced upon them.

 

 

 

Like I said though, if you are new and barely have any cards, then play in novice. That's the purpose of Novice, its for players who are newer and don't have many cards. There's no shame in that, we were all there once.

 

 

 

*Edit* I realize that people don't care and wont care, so there is no point in continuing the debate. If people want to disregard real life and how Nintendo has the game set up to be played just on the basis that this is a digital "unlimited" format. Go right ahead. I can't stop you so I will stop complaining.

 

[Frostosti]

at best 25 people will read this that have been using out of rotation cards, and i hightly doubt more than 1 will stop using them after reading this.

 

Just wait until the developers add rotation to this game as well. Besides, i think plenty of people dont even know what the rotation means. They just collect cards and build a deck and have no idea that some cards are "illegal".

 

 

 

And please don't send all those people to novice games, we already got plenty of idiots running EX decks in novice games.

 

(Additionally getting the rotation now, would also mean that buying all packs before Black and White are pretty much useless. Will they still be selling them? with a discount? And it would also mean that people with starter decks have literally 0 cards to play with

 

[GR0]

Rotations are no official rules. Rotations are tournament-only rules. The only rule that affects cards is that if you use an older version of a card, it gets its new effect regardless of what the card text says (so, Potion heals 3 even if your Potion card says it heals 2, Bill is a Supporter even if yours doesn't say so, etcetera). But that's no problem with the current card collection.

 

 

 

So, it's people like you who need to change mentality. It's childish to complain about this, just wait until the devs implement the option to fight in the format you want.

 

[Feral940]

How about we stop using EX cards in Novice tier as well? Seriously Go Offline with that **.

 

[Mod_Lorello]

This sort of discussion is always interesting, and the devs will be sure to know about this.

 

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[Shogun_Warrior]

Why hello heavyarms55.

 

Ive got some news that isnt going to make you happy at all.Gro is absolutly correct.1) We are still in beta.2)There will be different deck formats from what ive read here in the forums in the near future.3) When you buy my boosters and tins and give me all the traded cards ive traded for,then you can tell me what cards to run.Till the formats are programmed in i will run whatever cards i choose to run.Ive spent alot of money to get the collection i have now,and ive worked hard to trade for the cards i have now in my collection.Dont sit back and tell people what to run and what not to run.As i stated;you didnt buy them or trade for them.I and other trainers did,not you.To sit there and tell people what to run because theyre not in rotation is wrong.This game is still in beta for 1 and this isnt in real life.When there are tournaments on here,then yes i fully agree that there should be a rotation limit.But not when so many new trainers are working on their collections and working to learn this game as well as others.By taking away the access to the older cards they loose the chance to learn what they can do and how to use them to perfect their strategy.And thats not fair either.Keep in mind you were a beginner once yourself and wanted to have access to all the best cards yourself.That aside,as you so elliquantly stated in your own words.I will run whatever cards i wish to in my decks weather anyone likes it or not for the simple fact im the one who paid for the boosters and the promo tins and traded to get what i need.Now thats the simple truth of the matter like it or not.And im sure others feel the same way.But everyone is entitled to believe what they wish to believe.And this is what i believe.Have a nice day all.

 

[Flavafresh]

^this

 

Also, current format is unlimited. Since this is beta and no tournaments yet this is how its going to be. I say enjoy your cards while you can since eventually there will proabaly be rotation rules in place.

 

[heavyarms55]

*I* am not the one deciding what cards are legal. The Rotation IS the rule. You can't play at any sanctioned event and still be running HGSS cards. Its just that simple.

 

 

 

I bought and traded for a lot of HGSS cards too, but they are out of rotation now, thats how the game works. Every few years this happens. You people are showing that I was exactly right, you're doing exactly "I'm gonna do whatever I want until they force me to stop".

 

 

 

But I suppose I should have expected this. If you already have this sort of mentality shows you don't have enough respect for other players to play by the same rules. I bet you'd run +60 cards and more ignore the 4 of a card limit if this program didn't prevent that.

 

 

 

Fine you win, I'll stop mentioning this, its a useless endeavor.

 

[Shogun_Warrior]

People are playing by the current format rules.Reguardless of the irl format.As the trainer above you again mentioned;this is a unlimited format for the time being.There is no honor in doing what you mentioned of running 60 plus cards.Or ignoring the rules.This is not irl.There will be formats set up in the future.But at this point and time,there isnt any forulated formatts on rotation yet.Everyone is playing by the rules and its just that simple plain fact of the truth.And people need to remember this.If players keep being acused of cheating just because theyre follwing the current rules of a unlimitted format being in beta;their just going to stop playing this game.Again,how can anyone be cheating if theyre following the current format rules which has even been varified by the Profs and or mods that these are the true and current rules of the game.This is a game of Strategy and thinking on your feet after all is it not.This is also the plain simple fact of the truth.And,this too will be my last word of this.For ive seen that others believve as i do.Ill leave these matters to them and the profs,since it is they who have the final words on these matters anyway.Well,to all i say build your best decks possible and happy battles and dont worry about what others say.Just have fun.Thats the primary function of this game isnt it.And thats the primary truth of the matter as well.Later all.

 

[rosita21]

feraligatr deck i wont let you downwhy did this fight begin?please someone tell me .its a unlimited format .let people play how they want i havent enjoyed hgss yet just 9 games battling with a reshiram /ho oh deck when multiplayer was up a few months ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT:wait?did this fight stop

 

[Kyoujuu]

Just to inject a little fact from the sidelines:

 

At the League in my neighbourhood you're allowed to play out-of-rotation without having to mention it before hand, unless asked.

 

If we extrapolate this real life situation to the TCGO, unless there's an actual sanctioned event, there's nothing that would require someone to not use HGSS-cards.

 

In addition, I hope that this message comes across friendly: Adapt to the situation and you'll have the best time.

 

[Zylara]

People are playing by the current tournament rules, because the current format for online is Unlimited, which is a supported tournament format

 

[Falcom4ever]

There are 3 kind of pré-bw players :

 

- Starters that have almost no bw cards. They run pretty bad decks, because they dont have the cards. This do not cause any problem.

 

- Almost experts. They run ok deck and might have one or two ex. Usually they miss important bw-on card like catcher that they replace with reversal, level balls replaced by dual balls or N replaced by POV. I don't mind playing them, because there is no trading for now and probably they don't have another choice to substitute missing cards.

 

- Experts playing broken pré-bw cards to get an edge. When you see a guy with 4 darkrai ex and a bunch of terrakion mewtwo ex playing junk arms, pov etc... It is obvious that they are intentionnally playing out of format to have an edge. This is the players that I don't like !

 

[Frostosti]

Also some cards are the same, e.g. i think it is ridicilous that i can't use my "switch" cards from HGSS and have to buy packs over and over to get some "switch" trainer cards from the new set.

 

And i only play novice so i see plenty of the first two groups you mentioned and don't see group 3, but i can understand other people do not like it. If you really do not like it, only thing you can do is wait until they add the rotation or only play against people from your friendlist

 

[NinjaDethStrike]

 

 

 

People are playing by the current tournament rules, because the current format for online is Unlimited, which is a supported tournament format

 

 

Actually it's not. Worlds only includes prize support for modified and of course the VCG. I definitely think some kind of legacy format should be introduced, but it's currently not.

 

 

Also some cards are the same, e.g. i think it is ridicilous that i can't use my "switch" cards from HGSS and have to buy packs over and over to get some "switch" trainer cards from the new set.

 

And i only play novice so i see plenty of the first two groups you mentioned and don't see group 3, but i can understand other people do not like it. If you really do not like it, only thing you can do is wait until they add the rotation or only play against people from your friendlist

 

 

You can play reprinted trainers from old sets. You can even play base set switches if you have them irl

 

Honestly the only solution right now is just to play friends you know or playing BW-on or deal with it. It's definitely not ideal, but it's all we've got. Hopefully once trading is up the devs will get started on formats.

 

[jackjack012]

i didnt read this all, (too long)

 

but i read prof lorello's post and the previous, and i think also : stop ex in novice!

 

[Shogun_Warrior]

Heres a question for you all.Isnt the name of this game to get an advantage over your opponent.I do believe this is called strategy.The basic idea here is to use strategy and your cards to get an advantage over your opponent to win.Thats the whole idea is it not?Such as the new Agrron ability and combo with durant deck.To me there is no honor in dismantleing someones deck,however;it is a strategy is it not?Using what cards in your collection in this current format is part of using the strategy you employ in your decks is it not?And,the decks are an extension of each individual player are they not?These are the questions that make up this game.The answers are what make this game a challenge.And if you arent up for the challenge and adapting to your situation then you have a problem.For one must continuously adapt throughout life.And when you you fail to adapt and become rigid you'll break.This game is about adaptation,becoming stronger regaurdless of what the irl rotation is;or the format is here. one wishes to become stronger one must adapt or break like a rigid tree limb in a wind storm.Strategy and gaining the advantage go hand in hand.This is apart of the game;both for real game and this game.Think on these questions and the answers to these questions if you would call yourselves real battlers and maybe learn something and maybe adapt.

 

Thats all for now,later all.and just for the one trainer who asked about feraligator prime yes i still have that deck and im improving on it daily.

 

[RealArity]

i'd use feraligatr prime it as a proxy blastoise from boundaries crossed. no offence but i'm a kind of player who plays by the current rotation. no harm either way, those who use old cards can still be defeated. it's personal choice i feel.

 

[Shogun_Warrior]

Thats just the point im trying to make people understand.Its up to each individual to run whatever deck and whatever cards they choose in their decks.If it gives some an advantage over others then oh well.As i stated,thats part of the game.And since we are in beta with an unlimited format;its up to each individual trainer or battler to make their choices as individuals.Not having others telling them what to run or not run.Thats strictly up to the mods or Profs if you will to make those kind of descissions as well as the programmers.Its nice to see another with an open mind.For if one becomes rigid mentally and doesnt adapt to things as they occur,you'll become vulnerable and break as a twig in a wind storm.

 

Well im off to revamp one of my newest decks.And make it even stronger.Later all.

 

[heavyarms55]

 

i'd use feraligatr prime it as a proxy blastoise from boundaries crossed. no offence but i'm a kind of player who plays by the current rotation. no harm either way, those who use old cards can still be defeated. it's personal choice i feel.

 

 

 

 

They can be and I have defeated them. But there are also times when I've lost because Junk arm catcher and PONT being a way better supporter than anything we currently have.

 

[rosita21]

feraligatr is actually my favorite and i want to use it

 

[Shogun_Warrior]

Then if thats what you think and feel then use feraligator prime.It can be handy in water decks.Good luck!Later.

 

[Gypsydiver]

The biggest problem is people trying to play-test decks against cards that they won't be playing in tournaments. But it's silly to get mad about that! You play the game one way, It comes from this idea of fairness equalling symmetry; I would love a junk arm in my deck, but since I'm practicing for current rotation battles, I don't put it in. But then someone pulls one out, and I call foul because it's not "fair" that I'm "playing by the rules" and they're not. But making someone play in the same format as you doesn't automatically make it fair. It sucks that they made a different choice than me, but that's all it is: a different choice.

 

 

 

[heavyarms55]

 

i'd use feraligatr prime it as a proxy blastoise from boundaries crossed. no offence but i'm a kind of player who plays by the current rotation. no harm either way, those who use old cards can still be defeated. it's personal choice i feel.

 

 

 

 

Gatr was awesome. I used it run Feraligatr/Golduck.

 

[ilov3ponies]

 

but i read prof lorello's post and the previous, and i think also : stop ex in novice!

 

 

Uh... Is it just me that thinks that the fact someone has EX cards in their deck doesn't have to make them an "expert" player? You can make a pretty weak deck that has EXes in it as well.

 

And on topic: I agree with the author of this thread. I mean, the basic idea of this online program is to "emulate" the real-life experience of PTCG game. And if the format of the game in real is BW-on. Playing BW-on deck makes you able to test, practice or just play like you would do inr. You technically CAN play HS-on, but... What's the point? I can barely see any.

 

Still, I hope they will make it so the upcoming "game modes" would in fact indicate formats and you would be able to determine whether you want to play games in unlimited (HS-on) or modified (BW-on). Same for tournaments.