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05 March 2019 - 01:08 PM

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Spr1nter

    Novice Trainer

  • Spr1nter
After having played for many years, I feel like the Pokemon company and the direction they have gone is unfortunate. Hopefully they can fix this mess of a game up for some other people. I am moving on from this.

- No counters to lost march attacks/no damage cap, too low energy cost
- Jiancie with Stellar Wish (top 5 cards and you can pull any combination of something with that)
- Abilities not affected by status conditions/status conditions are pointless
- Too many passive ability moves/attacks. Game is flooded with it.
- Most pokemon cost too little to attack while doing enormous damage (i.e zapdos switching back and forth)
- No counters to using supporter cards. MTG and the like can at least block spells.

And the list goes on...
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05 March 2019 - 02:37 PM

#2

XK920XK

    Veteran Trainer

  • XK920XK

You are on the wrong forums, this is the pokemon trading card game online forums. The devs and staff here work specifically with the online game and have zero say which cards are being made and how they interact. They simply take what is used in the physical card game and implement it online. You need to contact Pokemon Laboratory in japan for these concerns. 


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05 March 2019 - 04:26 PM

#3

Sakura150612

    Elite Trainer

  • Sakura150612
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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05 March 2019 - 05:18 PM

#4

Lalamon

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  • Lalamon

This seems troll.

 

I don't think you are forced to play. Move on and safe trip


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10 March 2019 - 08:17 PM

#5

SuperStone

    Elite Trainer

  • SuperStone

This seems troll.

 

I don't think you are forced to play. Move on and safe trip

That's a cop out.

 

You don't get to call someone a troll just because they don't agree with you.  You don't get to call someone a troll just because they're in a bad mood.  And you shouldn't ignore their points, however strained they may be- because the real trolls don't offer any, and we need to be able to identify them.

 

It is the OP's opinion that the current standard format isn't very fun.  That's a valid opinion.  And if they have been playing for a while, than leaving can be a pretty big decision- we shouldn't devalue that.

 

Spr1nter: I'm sorry that the format has changed in a way that makes it unplayable for you.  I think there's a good chance there are other factors at play here- after all, this is not the first time Standard's been this way- but you're under no obligation to share personal reasons if you don't want to.  Have fun, wherever you go. :)


The truth waits for no one.  That which you refuse to see, TPCi, slips past you.  The chat function was never your problem, yet through your blindness, you have made it one.

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11 March 2019 - 03:49 AM

#6

Sakura150612

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  • Sakura150612

That's a cop out.

You don't get to call someone a troll just because they don't agree with you. You don't get to call someone a troll just because they're in a bad mood. And you shouldn't ignore their points, however strained they may be- because the real trolls don't offer any, and we need to be able to identify them.

It is the OP's opinion that the current standard format isn't very fun. That's a valid opinion. And if they have been playing for a while, than leaving can be a pretty big decision- we shouldn't devalue that.

That's a good mentality to have in most cases, because just deeming someone a troll could end up with the rest of us dismissing a potentially valid point because it comes from someone who is supposedly trolling.

BUT, this guy really is a troll. There's no other way to describe it. He just went on a necro bumping spree just to tell everyone how bad he thinks the game is (so that's both necro'ing and spamming to his offence list) and gratuitously went and insulted iyado in his goodbye thread and effectively told him to his face "good riddance" (it was so bad that the mods silently removed his reply). EDIT: In this regard, he just reaped what he sowed. What he wrote on iyado's thread regarding his decision to leave was something along the lines of "people like you ruin the game, good thing you're leaving", and while I shouldn't be getting angry on iyado's behalf (heck, he probably just laughed it off) OP still disrespected hard his decision to leave and to give away his collection (which is a way tougher choice than just ragequitting and being able to return anytime after cooling down a little). Compared to that, this thread is little more than just a kid's tantrum.

I understand your good intentions SuperStone, but I personally don't believe that anyone should be standing up for this guy. You can expect to be treated in the same way you've treated others. And this guy is getting off easy with just one sly remark from me and one "troll" tag from someone else. I could have chewed him out with a WoT diatribe if I wanted to, I'm just not gonna do it because it'd be a waste of time, but that's the only reason I won't.


Edited by Sakura150612, 12 March 2019 - 01:23 AM.

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14 March 2019 - 12:25 AM

#7

Spr1nter

    Novice Trainer

  • Spr1nter

That's a cop out.

 

You don't get to call someone a troll just because they don't agree with you.  You don't get to call someone a troll just because they're in a bad mood.  And you shouldn't ignore their points, however strained they may be- because the real trolls don't offer any, and we need to be able to identify them.

 

It is the OP's opinion that the current standard format isn't very fun.  That's a valid opinion.  And if they have been playing for a while, than leaving can be a pretty big decision- we shouldn't devalue that.

 

Spr1nter: I'm sorry that the format has changed in a way that makes it unplayable for you.  I think there's a good chance there are other factors at play here- after all, this is not the first time Standard's been this way- but you're under no obligation to share personal reasons if you don't want to.  Have fun, wherever you go. :)

 

 

That's a good mentality to have in most cases, because just deeming someone a troll could end up with the rest of us dismissing a potentially valid point because it comes from someone who is supposedly trolling.

BUT, this guy really is a troll. There's no other way to describe it. He just went on a necro bumping spree just to tell everyone how bad he thinks the game is (so that's both necro'ing and spamming to his offence list) and gratuitously went and insulted iyado in his goodbye thread and effectively told him to his face "good riddance" (it was so bad that the mods silently removed his reply). EDIT: In this regard, he just reaped what he sowed. What he wrote on iyado's thread regarding his decision to leave was something along the lines of "people like you ruin the game, good thing you're leaving", and while I shouldn't be getting angry on iyado's behalf (heck, he probably just laughed it off) OP still disrespected hard his decision to leave and to give away his collection (which is a way tougher choice than just ragequitting and being able to return anytime after cooling down a little). Compared to that, this thread is little more than just a kid's tantrum.

I understand your good intentions SuperStone, but I personally don't believe that anyone should be standing up for this guy. You can expect to be treated in the same way you've treated others. And this guy is getting off easy with just one sly remark from me and one "troll" tag from someone else. I could have chewed him out with a WoT diatribe if I wanted to, I'm just not gonna do it because it'd be a waste of time, but that's the only reason I won't.

 

I have to say,  I completely understand why you think I'm a troll. I'm not.

 

Sure I was very immature to post stuff that I did, but it was all done in frustration (justified or not - it is entirely your point of view).

 

The way standard has been set up is, IMO, very unplayable. I don't like playing GX cards because I honestly don't think they're any fun having high hp with little to no energy costs. I prefer a well-thought out deck that doesn't take advantage of cards unfairly like that. It is no different than bullying.


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14 March 2019 - 01:52 AM

#8

BowserLuigi

    Elite Trainer

  • BowserLuigi

I have to say,  I completely understand why you think I'm a troll. I'm not.
 
Sure I was very immature to post stuff that I did, but it was all done in frustration (justified or not - it is entirely your point of view).
 
The way standard has been set up is, IMO, very unplayable. I don't like playing GX cards because I honestly don't think they're any fun having high hp with little to no energy costs. I prefer a well-thought out deck that doesn't take advantage of cards unfairly like that. It is no different than bullying.

As a pretty insensitive guy who got flak from other people (virtual or real) for being insensitive and judgmental in the past (and in my heart I think they are just being annoyingly sensitive), even I have to agree that that insult to iyado was uncalled for. You're not the first person to dislike the standard format. But I'll just plainly say that if you really did the things Sakura claimed you did then yes you're a troll. Good day sir.
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14 March 2019 - 01:52 AM

#9

SKBellmore

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  • SKBellmore
I’m gonna observe your points Spr1nter, and see if I can shed some light on them.
- No counters to lost march attacks/no damage cap, too low energy cost
There is a damage cap, but you can only have so many Pokémon in your deck. Low energy costs can be stopped by Wondrous Labyrinth * and Shuckle GX.
- Jiancie with Stellar Wish (top 5 cards and you can pull any combination of something with that)
I can’t say anything about this because I’ve never seen this, I think a lot of people can say the same.
- Abilities not affected by status conditions/status conditions are pointless
Take Blacephalon GX or PikaRom GX for example. If they’re Asleep or Paralyzed, they can’t do anything at all.
- Too many passive ability moves/attacks. Game is flooded with it.
What do you mean by passive?
- Most pokemon cost too little to attack while doing enormous damage (i.e zapdos switching back and forth)
It’s not like this is easy. You have to get a way to switch Zapdos, and get enough energy on Gardevoir GX, etc.
- No counters to using supporter cards. MTG and the like can at least block spells.
Not true, stuff like LOT Ribombee and Omega Barrier Ancient Trait can block Guzma. And this is Pokémon not Magic the Gathering. We don’t have spells, we have Hex Mainiac. (Well before it was banned.)
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14 March 2019 - 01:54 AM

#10

SKBellmore

    Trainer

  • SKBellmore
And you said your leaving. I’ll wish you goodbye and good riddance.

EDIT: You’ve been hanging around the forums so much complaining that I’m not so sure you’re leaving.

Edited by SKBellmore, 17 March 2019 - 02:17 AM.

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14 March 2019 - 02:17 AM

#11

BowserLuigi

    Elite Trainer

  • BowserLuigi
Okokokok pseudo double post but TC you should absolutely see this comment. I found the perfect deck for you. It uses non-GX, the main pokemon is a stage 1 and all its attackers require at least 3 energies to attack (no DCE)

.... But I don't play the game anymore. So just search for an Arcanine deck at ptcgradio's channel on yewtube

If you still find such a deck a 'bully' then I have nothing else to say.

Edited by BowserLuigi, 14 March 2019 - 02:17 AM.

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14 March 2019 - 02:22 AM

#12

SKBellmore

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  • SKBellmore
Oh, I saw that video. That deck looked good. Especially with new fire type tools also coming out in Unbroken Bonds.
The Galar region has been revealed!
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16 March 2019 - 10:28 AM

#13

Spr1nter

    Novice Trainer

  • Spr1nter

As a pretty insensitive guy who got flak from other people (virtual or real) for being insensitive and judgmental in the past (and in my heart I think they are just being annoyingly sensitive), even I have to agree that that insult to iyado was uncalled for. You're not the first person to dislike the standard format. But I'll just plainly say that if you really did the things Sakura claimed you did then yes you're a troll. Good day sir.


That is not trolling.

Trolling is getting pleasure from making people react a certain way. I am more bitter about this game (hence my personal boycott of the game) that I hope more people can then advocate for the necessary changes to game balance

Disagreeing with an opinion is not trolling.
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16 March 2019 - 10:35 AM

#14

Spr1nter

    Novice Trainer

  • Spr1nter

I’m gonna observe your points Spr1nter, and see if I can shed some light on them.
- No counters to lost march attacks/no damage cap, too low energy cost
There is a damage cap, but you can only have so many Pokémon in your deck. Low energy costs can be stopped by Wondrous Labyrinth * and Shuckle GX.
- Jiancie with Stellar Wish (top 5 cards and you can pull any combination of something with that)
I can’t say anything about this because I’ve never seen this, I think a lot of people can say the same.
- Abilities not affected by status conditions/status conditions are pointless
Take Blacephalon GX or PikaRom GX for example. If they’re Asleep or Paralyzed, they can’t do anything at all.
- Too many passive ability moves/attacks. Game is flooded with it.
What do you mean by passive?
- Most pokemon cost too little to attack while doing enormous damage (i.e zapdos switching back and forth)
It’s not like this is easy. You have to get a way to switch Zapdos, and get enough energy on Gardevoir GX, etc.
- No counters to using supporter cards. MTG and the like can at least block spells.
Not true, stuff like LOT Ribombee and Omega Barrier Ancient Trait can block Guzma. And this is Pokémon not Magic the Gathering. We don’t have spells, we have Hex Mainiac. (Well before it was banned.)


You have missed some points.

It is absolutely easy to run a deck you didn't make. Not very hard to read cards and follow exactly what the cards tell you to do.

What "skill" is there to use Jiancie and getting something from the top 5 cards? With the way the supporter cards are set up, you literally do not have the "luck" factor. Jiancie is as much of the problem I am describing. It is funny you bring up this card.
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16 March 2019 - 11:50 AM

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SKBellmore

    Trainer

  • SKBellmore
Oh I’m sorry. I think your referring to Jirachi. I thought you were thinking of some combo of Jirachi and Diancie BUS. In that case I have played it. And if you think about it, there kind of is skill with Jirachi. If you have a choice of multiple trainer cards, you have to figure out which is the right one to choose. Also, if you plan on using Jirachi and attacking that does require skill. You need to on your turn switch to Jirachi and switch back, and you can only retreat once per turn, so you have to play a trainer card (i.e.g. Switch, Guzma, Escape Rope etc.) which you have to somehow find, or a Pokémon’s (i.e.g. SGL Volcarona, CES Salamence, SUM Solgaleo GX, etc.) ability, which you have to setup. (As far as I remember, there is no basic Pokémon that has an ability that lets you switch your Active Pokémon)

Edited by SKBellmore, 17 March 2019 - 02:07 AM.

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17 March 2019 - 01:28 AM

#16

BowserLuigi

    Elite Trainer

  • BowserLuigi

That is not trolling.
Trolling is getting pleasure from making people react a certain way. I am more bitter about this game (hence my personal boycott of the game) that I hope more people can then advocate for the necessary changes to game balance
Disagreeing with an opinion is not trolling.

Then complain to TPCi. We can't do anything. The devs of PTCGO can't do anything. I'm pretty sure you must know this by now.

Also what are your comments on the Arcanine deck I mentioned? No seriously I would like to hear them.
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17 March 2019 - 02:12 AM

#17

SuperStone

    Elite Trainer

  • SuperStone

Sakura150612, on 10 Mar 2019 - 10:49 PM, said:Sakura150612, on 10 Mar 2019 - 10:49 PM, said:



I understand your good intentions SuperStone, but I personally don't believe that anyone should be standing up for this guy. You can expect to be treated in the same way you've treated others. And this guy is getting off easy with just one sly remark from me and one "troll" tag from someone else. I could have chewed him out with a WoT diatribe if I wanted to, I'm just not gonna do it because it'd be a waste of time, but that's the only reason I won't.



It's not so much that I'm standing up for them- at this point, the little relevance they had has been lost. As I like to say, "the 'buse of any system is its downfall." My post was about mentality. The original post- to which Lalamon (and others) was referring, isn't problematic. In fact, better the OP consolidate their complaints to their own thread instead of littering them on all the others. It's the excessive repetition that's problematic.

I believe we should presume the best in people until no longer possible. That policy would reduce individual misunderstandings, but also foster an environment where critical thinking and human decency are encouraged.

But I do agree, Sakura, that at this point it's time to stop replying to the same old garbage. I just ask that we keep our heads and make sure that the way we address a situation isn't making it worse.

Edited by SuperStone, 17 March 2019 - 02:16 AM.

The truth waits for no one.  That which you refuse to see, TPCi, slips past you.  The chat function was never your problem, yet through your blindness, you have made it one.

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17 March 2019 - 02:36 AM

#18

Sakura150612

    Elite Trainer

  • Sakura150612

It's not so much that I'm standing up for them- at this point, the little relevance they had has been lost. As I like to say, "the 'buse of any system is its downfall." My post was about mentality. The original post- to which Lalamon (and others) was referring, isn't problematic. In fact, better the OP consolidate their complaints to their own thread instead of littering them on all the others. It's the excessive repetition that's problematic.I believe we should presume the best in people until no longer possible. That policy would reduce individual misunderstandings, but also foster an environment where critical thinking and human decency are encouraged.But I do agree, Sakura, that at this point it's time to stop replying to the same old garbage. I just ask that we keep our heads and make sure that the way we address a situation isn't making it worse.


I think we do agree for the most part. It's just that I'm a lot more likely to give an oportunity to a member with a clean slate than to somone with a track record of making these kind of posts. This was tecnically his 2nd thread only, but he also simultaneously went on to spam and necro bump a ton of other threads.

I do think we shouldn't default to raising torches and pitchforks right away though. It's better to listen to what people have to say and then have a civil discussion with them. Sadly, for somple people (such as OP) that simply ends up not being possible.
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17 March 2019 - 02:56 AM

#19

RobRatt

    Elite Trainer

  • RobRatt

Sadly, for somple people (such as OP) that simply ends up not being possible.

I've never understood how to get along with those somple people either.  :)


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17 March 2019 - 03:17 AM

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Sakura150612

    Elite Trainer

  • Sakura150612

I've never understood how to get along with those somple people either.  :)


Oh woops, I kinda brain farted over there. I guess I'll leave the typo up because it's funny though xd
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