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Fighting Pokemon Extra Damage Modifiers not Working in Certain Situations

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Bravebreaker

I believe damage isn't being calculated correctly when facing off against Pokemon that block attack damage from GX/EX Pokemon.

 

This scenario happened in expanded.

 

Scenario:

 

Opponent had Alolan Ninetales BUS 28 in the active and had no pokemon tool cards attached.  They did not play any damage modifying cards or any defensive cards like hard charm.

 

I had Marshadow-GX BUS 80 in the active, with 2 x Strong Energy FCO 115 attached, a Muscle Band XY 121, and two Regirock-EX FCO 84 on the bench.

 

Normally Pokemon GX/EX cannot damage Alolan Ninetales BUS 28 because its ability reads:

 

"Prevent all effects of attacks including damage, done to this Pokemon by your opponent's Pokemon-GX or Pokemon-EX."

 

But Marshadow-GX BUS 80 can copy the attack of any basic Pokemon in the discard pile as long as the energy requirement is met and its ability has not been turned off by another card.  Its ability reads: "This Pokemon can use the attacks of any Basic Pokemon in your discard pile. (You still need the necessary energy to use each attack)"

 

Larvitar TEU 79 was in the discard pile and it has an attack that reads:

 

Attack Cost: Two Colorless Energy - Chip Away 30 - This attack's damage isn't affected by any effects on your opponent's Active Pokemon.

 

The Chip Away attack was used by Marshadow-GX BUS 80 and 90 damage was dealt to Alolan Ninetales BUS 28.  I believe this damage calculation is inccorrect because:

 

30 base attack damage (pierces abilities due to attack text from Larvitar TEU 79.

+20 from Strong Energy

+20 from Strong Energy

+20 from Muscle Band

+10 from Regirock-EX ability

+10 from Regirock-EX ability

=

110 total damage

 

Instead, 90 damage was dealt.

 

I believe 110 is the correct damage amount and Alolan Ninetales BUS 28 survived when it should have been knocked out as 110 is it's total base HP.  Again, Alolan Ninetales BUS 28 had no Pokemon Tool cards attached and the player had not played any defensive type cards what would affect the final damage calculation.

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SuperStone

Do you remember what was on their bench?

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harshu

30 base attack damage (pierces abilities due to attack text from Larvitar TEU 79.

+20 from Strong Energy

+20 from Strong Energy

+20 from Muscle Band

+10 from Regirock-EX ability

+10 from Regirock-EX ability

=

110 total damage

 

Instead, 90 damage was dealt.

 

Do you remember what was on their bench?

Alolan Muk ?!?! Edited by harshu

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RobRatt

Alolan Muk ?!?!

^^ Had to be something else.

 

That was my first thought. And I'm sure SuperStone's as well.

 

But then you have an "Aha moment," and realize that Alolan Muk would have stopped Marshadow-GX from attacking in the first place, because he's a Basic also (using his Ability).

 

I'm assumng there was something else in play that limited 20 damage, but I'll be darned if I can guess what it was.

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harshu

^^ Had to be something else.

 

That was my first thought. And I'm sure SuperStone's as well.

 

But then you have an "Aha moment," and realize that Alolan Muk would have stopped Marshadow-GX from attacking in the first place, because he's a Basic also (using his Ability).

 

I'm assumng there was something else in play that limited 20 damage, but I'll be darned if I can guess what it was.

My bad for not reading it properly. All I read was damage not done properly and well..  :D :D

 

Possible theories - 

1. Banette tool concealment

2. Lysandre Labs

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Mod_Alder

Hello Bravebreaker, I'm sorry to hear you may have found a bug. Is there any chance you could post a game log of the match so we can see if there is any explanation for the bug. 

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SuperStone

^^ Had to be something else.

 

That was my first thought. And I'm sure SuperStone's as well.

 

But then you have an "Aha moment," and realize that Alolan Muk would have stopped Marshadow-GX from attacking in the first place, because he's a Basic also (using his Ability).

 

I'm assumng there was something else in play that limited 20 damage, but I'll be darned if I can guess what it was.

It was indeed. :D

 

If this was expanded, it could possibly (if the opponent is a fellow weird deck friend) have been aurorus FFi.  (Didn't that used to be FuF?)  Using the TCGO's search engine, that was literally the only card I could find that could explain this.

 

Another possibility is that they healed 20 damage immidiately at the start of their turn, and the OP didn't notice the damage until then?  Unlikely, but then so is everything else. :P

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