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Can I make a Charizard Rayquaza deck


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24 December 2018 - 09:37 PM

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SuperYmax

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So my favorite Pokémon are Charizard and Rayquaza so I was wondering can I actually make a deck using the Dragon majesty Charizard and the celestial storm Rayquaza? This is what I came up with and please help me make it better 🙏🏼

15 Pokémon

Charizard DM *2
Charmeleon BUS *1
Charmander BUS*2
Cubone *1
Alolan marowak FL *1
Victini Prism *1
Rayquaza GX *2
Grubbin *1
Charjabug *1
Vikavolt *1
Latias Prism *1
Oranguru *1

29 Trainers and Items

Nest *******
Ultra balls *3
Rare candy *3
Wishful baton *3
Pal pad *1
Rescue Stretcher *2
Switch *2
Energy recycle system *1
Tate & Liza *1
Lillie *4
Cynthia *3
Guzma *2
Apricorn maker *1

16 Energy

Fire energy *5
Grass energy *5
Electric energy *5
Counter energy *1

Please guys tell me what to improve! What to add and what to remove. THX
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24 December 2018 - 10:21 PM

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Sakura150612

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You could try putting them on the same deck, but I'm afraid to say that this isn't going to turn out too well. A few points you want to keep in mind:

 

> The pace of the current meta is lightning fast, and anything that takes more than a turn or two to set up just doesn't fare very well. That doesn't mean slower decks don't have a place in the meta, but such decks need cards that can help them stall until they've completed the set up. What I mean by this:

  1. The main strategy of a Rayquaza-GX deck is to stack Grass and Lightning energies ASAP. 180+ HP beefgates are common nowadays, so reaching around 6 energies on the field by turn 2 is practically a necessity. Rayquaza-GX can self accelerate with its ability to some extent but it's not enough. Alolan Marowak can help, but it means you can't attack with Rayquaza-GX on your second turn, and maybe not even on your 3rd turn depending on how many energies you managed to get on the board. Latias is a nice tech to have, but it has the same issue as Alolan Marowak. Vikavolt is usually what enables Rayquaza-GX to charge up fast, but you're only using a 1-1-1 line, which makes it completely unreliable. There is a very high chance that at least one of those 3 cards will be prized in each games, rendering Vikavolt unusable. Rare Candies help (since you can have the Charjabug prize without an issue), but that still means that if either of the other 2 cards are prized you're stuck. In a deck like this, you really need to run a 3-1-3 line or something similar.
  2. An example of a deck with a lengthy setup that can still work is Primal Groudon-EX in Expanded. It takes several turns to charge a single one up, on top of wasting a turn to primal evolve. However, it can stall for several turns without giving any prizes in the meantime. Primal Groudon-EX can't be affected by trainers (because of its Ancient Trait) and neither can promo Regirock. Wobbuffet shuts down abilities, so your opponents will take much longer to set up themselves. The use of several controll cards like Enhanced Hammers and Faba can also delay your opponent quite a bit. The reason I'm mentioning this example is so that you can compare it with this deck; it could take you 3+ turns to charge your board with enough energies to KO your opponent's Pokemon, but you're completely defenseless during that time. A lot of times you will start attacking with a 2 to 3 prize deficit already, which means you pretty much lose by default. This is the reason why your deck should focus on getting the Vikavolt out in the field ASAP, so you can ideally start KOing things by your 2nd turn already.

> As fun as it can be to forget about viability and just use your favorite cards, you just won't do to well if you do that. For cards to work well together they need to have some degree of synergy; that is to say, they have attacks and abilities that work towards the same goal. If you look at Charizad and Rayquaza-GX, you'll note that, unfortunately, they have zero synergy, because:

  • They require different energy to attack.
  • Rayquaza-GX will not gain additional damage from the Fire energies attached to Charizard.
  • Rayquaza-GX's ability will waste energies if you discard a Fire energy with it; you can't transfer that energy to Charizard and it's basically useless when attached to Rayquaza-GX
  • Charizard's attack (just like a lot of other Fire Pokemon) works better with energy acceleration from the discard pile, as opposed to the energy acceleration from the deck provided by Vikavolt (not to mention that Vikavolt can't accelerate fire energies). That Charizard would be better off paired up with LOT Blaziken.

Simply put, rather than working together, Charizard and Rayquaza-GX get in each other's way, which will be very frustrating for you.

 

I think it's a better idea to separate them into different decks and make sure that each one has a single, focused strtegy.

 

Rayquaza-GX is meta right now and much more viable than DRM Charizard, but unfortunately it's also extremely expensive. A single Rayquaza-GX costs around 8 standard packs, and you will need 3 or 4 Rayquaza-GX in total. You'll probably want to get 1 or 2 Zeraora-GX as well for its utility, which costs around 6 packs each. You'll also want a Tapu Lele-GX for consistency (although that's true for almost any Standard deck), which costs around 15 packs. It's honestly a pretty big investment. There's a few other things you need too, but nothing worth more than 1-2 packs, and it seems you already have a lot of the staples you need. I can give you a more detailed Rayquaza-GX list if you're interested (you can also search it in YT, there's a lot of PTCGO streamers in there who upload new lists on a regular basis).

 

Charizard would be a lot cheaper to build, but you'd be building a rouge deck with no guarantees of how it will perform. It could work, for sure, but it'd require quite a bit of testing. Rayquaza-GX is already well known, has seen plenty of testing and it's known to work well. I could give you some ideas for a Charizard deck if you're interested, but I can't provide you with a full deck list.

 

Anyway, feel free to ask any questions you want.


Edited by Sakura150612, 24 December 2018 - 10:36 PM.

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24 December 2018 - 10:38 PM

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SuperYmax

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Wow Thx for the advice! And I see what you mean they get in each other’s way I thought about that and I would have used rainbow energy but you know... But I prefer if you give me advice on Charizard because I play Yu-Gi-Oh as well and in that card game I play blue-eyes which is all about getting big dragons who do a lot of damage but it’s also a bricky deck so I’m kind of use too having rouge decks so I don’t think I’ll have a problem. And I do have budget of $100 or less I don’t know if Rayquaza is a deck that is worth around $200 so if You think I can afford Rayquaza then give me advice on Rayquaza if not then give me some tips on Charizard.
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25 December 2018 - 11:06 PM

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Sakura150612

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Do you want to build this deck IRL or in the online game? I'd say it's expensive either way, but it's way easier to build online with a lower budget. This is because in this game we treat packs as a currency of sorts, and pack codes are (as you would expect) cheaper than the actual 10 card pack. Then there's also the fact that you can farm packs within the game by playing Events (tournaments). Do note that the packs that are sold in the in-game store for 200 Trainer Tokens are locked though (meaning, they can't be traded). 

 

Incidentally (assuming that you're building that deck IRL), do you already have the cards in the list you posted? If you already have 2 Rayquaza-GX that's already 2 expensive cards you don't need to worry about having to buy. Anyway, I'll show you a list and an approximate cost of it.

 

[NOTE: Anyone who is more experienced than myself at trading and selling IRL, feel free to correct anything I get wrong. I'm mostly basing myself on Troll and Toad prices. It's been a while since I've built a deck IRL myself so some extra advice would be appreciated here]

 

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******
 
##Pokémon - 13
 
* 4 Rayquaza-GX CES 109 (13 USD x4 = 52 USD)
* 3 Grubbin SUM 13 (~1 USD)
* 3 Vikavolt SUM 52 (2 USD x2 = 4 USD)
* 1 Marshadow SLG 45 (1 USD)
* 2 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60 (21 USD x2 = 42 USD)
 
##Trainer Cards - 33
 
* 2 Energy Recycler GRI 123 (~1 USD)
* 1 Escape Rope BUS 114 (~0.5 USD)
* 3 Mysterious Treasure FLI 113 (1.5 USD x3 = 4.5 USD)
* 1 Nest Ball SUM 123 (~0.5 USD)
* 4 Rare Candy CES 142 (1 USD x4 = 4 USD)
* 2 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130 (1 USD x2 = 2 USD)
* 1 Switch SUM 132 (~0.5 USD)
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119 (6 USD x4 = 24 USD)
* 4 Guzma BUS 115 (4.5 USD x4 = 18 USD)
* 2 Lillie UPR 125 (~1 USD)
* 1 Pokémon Fan Club UPR 133 (~0.5 USD)
* 1 Volkner UPR 135 (~1 USD)
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121 (~2 USD)
* 4 Ultra Ball SUM 135 (1 USD x4 = 4 USD)
 
##Energy - 14 (probably somewhere between 1 to 2 dollars total)
 
* 7 Lightning Energy  4
* 7 Grass Energy  1
 
Total Cards - 60
 

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ****** 

 

Doing a rough estimate, you'd be looking at a total cost of around 165 USD. Now, a couple of things you should note:

 

> There's a significant portion of this investment that comes from staples rather than the cards that are unique to Rayquaza-GX. 4 Cynthias is pretty much a must in Standard (I'm a little skeptical on the 6 USD cost since it's pretty much the Sycamore of the old rotation but a lot more expensive, but it's what Troll and Toad says. It could have to do with the fact it only has 1 normal, non-FA print). Guzma is also a must, although the exact number will depend (3 looks like good enough to me, but this list included 4). Ultra Balls are also a must in literally every single deck. Finally, Tapu Lele-GX is also somewhat of a necessity in most Standard decks.

 

> If you haven't obtained the Cynthias yet, buying the Theme Deck Mach Strike looks like a good idea; the deck costs around 13 USD, so with the 2 Cynthias it has alone you've already recovered 12 USD. It comes with some more staples you can use too, and whatever you don't want to use you can sell or trade.

 

>If you're thinking of building this online, most of the prices are equivalent, but Cynthia is much more cheap than it's physical counterpart. You can easily farm 1000 Tokens and buy 2 (tradelocked) copies of Mach Strike, which gives you a pretty complete set of staples that you can use in every deck, including 4 Cynthias.

 

>This decklist does not include Zeraora-GX, which in my opinion it should include 1 or 2 copies of. The GX attack can potentially help you bring a game back when you've had most of your energies discarded (meaning, the Rayquazas they were attached to were KOd). The ability though is what you'll get more use out of early on though, since free retreat on any Pokemon with a Lightning Energy attached to it can be very useful.

 

 

 

So the next thing would be to think about a possible Charizard deck. It doesn't seem like you'll be lacking in damage at all since against GX focused decks you'll be doing a minimum of 190 damage (and even against non-GX decks you might end up doing at least 160 damage since most people play a Tapu Lele-GX early on without much of any means of removing it from the board). Being non-GX yourself, you have the benefit of only giving 1 prize at a time. However, there's a couple of big concerns:

 

> Just by being a Stage 2 deck, it's considerably slower than other popular decks. And, because of the attack's energy cost, this is possibly a double Stage 2 deck, since you need something like LOT Blaziken to charge your benched Charizard. In a deck like this, your main goal would be to bench at least 2 Charmander and 1 Torchick turn 1, and ideally evolve them straight to stage 2 the next turn. This is rather hard to achieve without the right card, which brings me to the next issue:

 

> On a double Stage 2 deck you would really, REALLY want to have Fairy type Alolan Ninetales-GX in it, which allows you to search any 2 items you want from your deck upon evolving. This is the only way I can think of consistently obtaining the 2 Rare Candy on your second turn. The issue? Alolan Ninetales-GX is stupidly expensive (the regular art one costs 26 USD a piece; buying the 2 you need would cost you more than what you could have saved by not buying a playset of Rayquaza-GX, which defeats the purpose of going with the "cheaper" deck). You can absolutely build this deck without Alolan Ninetales-GX, but you'll lose some consistency. If I could think up of a better way of accelerating fire energies without using another Stage 2 Pokemon this would probably work better, but right now I can't think of anything. Anyone else reading this is welcome to add some ideas.

 

 

 

Anyways, this is what I can think of for now. Let me know what you think, and I'll give you some more ideas.

 

EDIT: One thing I forgot to mention. If you intend on playing online I can help you obtain some cards. I'm a little short in packs right now, but I should be able to give you some staples to get you started.


Edited by Sakura150612, 25 December 2018 - 11:50 PM.

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26 December 2018 - 01:50 AM

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SandaledOtter

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Accelerate fire energies? There's a supporter for that. You'd want Kiawe, and probably a way to guarantee drawing him, like Tapu Lele GX again.

 

If you have room and think you might lose them, Energy Recycler and Pal Pad would let you repeat Kiawe, but it might be better to trust in the power of the 'zard and use those slots for other things. (I'm not that good at deck building.)


Edited by SandaledOtter, 26 December 2018 - 01:54 AM.

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26 December 2018 - 02:51 AM

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Sakura150612

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I thought about Kiwae, but it's kind of scary. This is something you would want to do turn 1 since it's probably the only time you won't mind ending your turn without attacking, meaning you'd be attaching 4 energies to a 70 HP Charmander. I'd be a little too easy to Guzma it and KO it. 

 

Honestly, I think this deck would have a better time in Expanded since you have Blacksmith. VS Seekers and Battle Compressors also help a lot. That said, I get the feeling that OP wants to play in Standard. Making the switch between Standard and Expanded isn't a big deal online, but if he's playing IRL he's restricted to the format that the people in his local league (or wherever else it is he plays)  use.

 

Kiawe could still be useful, but using it seems pretty situational.


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27 December 2018 - 06:33 PM

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Sakura150612

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I actually gave a try to the Charizard deck idea, but ended up having zero luck with it. Going with a double Stage 2 deck is too clunky after all. I had the same problem some time ago when I tried making a Venusaur/Sceptile deck. Energy acceleration ends up being unreliable because you can't quickly get out both of your Stage 2 Pokemon. I even included the Alolan Ninetales-GX, but still had no luck. It's possible that I'm just playing the deck wrong, or that the deck itself needs serious improvements that I can't think of right now. I'll post the list in case others have some ideas for it.

 

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******
 
##Pokémon - 18
 
* 2 Alolan Ninetales-GX LOT 132
* 3 Charmander DRM 1
* 3 Torchic DRM 4
* 3 Blaziken DRM 6
* 3 Charizard DRM 3
* 2 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60
* 2 Alolan Vulpix GRI 21
 
##Trainer Cards - 31
 
* 1 Heat Factory {*} LOT 178
* 2 Switch HS 102
* 2 Wishful Baton BUS 128
* 2 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130
* 4 Nest Ball SUM 123
* 2 Apricorn Maker CES 124
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 2 Field Blower GRI 125
* 2 Guzma BUS 115
* 4 Ultra Ball SUM 135
* 4 Rare Candy PLB 85
* 2 Lillie UPR 125
 
##Energy - 11
 
* 11 Fire Energy  2
 
Total Cards - 60
 
****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******
 
 
 
That said, I'm going to try adapting this for Expanded. With Blacksmith being available, I might be able to forego the Blaziken line altogether and just focus on consistently getting the turn 2 Charizard. I don't know if the Expanded list will be of any use to you (since I don't know whether the people you play with play Expanded or not), but I'll give it a try anyways. I actually really like this deck idea, I just don't think it has the proper tools to work in Standard.
 
 
 
EDIT: Alright, I tried a version of this in Expanded and I immediately saw the improvement. It's still by no means a tier 1 deck, but it feels much stronger in Expanded. Here's the list:
 
****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******
 
##Pokémon - 13
 
* 2 Shaymin-EX ROS 77
* 2 Alolan Ninetales-GX LOT 132
* 3 Charmander LTR 17
* 3 Charizard DRM 3
* 1 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60
* 2 Alolan Vulpix GRI 21
 
##Trainer Cards - 36
 
* 2 Wishful Baton BUS 128
* 2 Blacksmith FLF 88
* 3 Professor Sycamore STS 114
* 4 Ultra Ball SUM 135
* 4 Nest Ball SUM 123
* 4 VS Seeker PHF 109
* 3 Battle Compressor Team Flare Gear PHF 92
* 1 Heat Factory {*} LOT 178
* 2 Scorched Earth FCO 110
* 4 Rare Candy UL 82
* 1 Guzma BUS 143
* 1 Lysandre FLF 104
* 1 N FCO 105
* 2 Float Stone BKT 137
* 1 Computer Search BCR 137
* 1 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130
 
##Energy - 11
 
* 11 Fire Energy  2
 
Total Cards - 60
 
****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******
 
 
 
Now, after playing around with this deck a little, I have to say that while it's pretty fun it's just not as strong or consistent as Rayquaz-GX (or any of the other meta decks). If you're willing to spend a bit of extra money, Rayquaza-GX is probably the one you should build. You could also try exploring a different, more budget friendly deck that's also strong in the current meta. However, if I had to go with either the Rayquaza-GX or the Charizard deck, I'd probably go with the Rayquaza-GX deck.
 
Feel free to ask any more questions. 

Edited by Sakura150612, 27 December 2018 - 07:23 PM.

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28 December 2018 - 06:02 PM

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SuperYmax

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Wow I had not seen these comments because for some reason it would not show them but now that I have seen them you guys have had incredible ideas! I already deceived what I would do but i won’t show you guys because you will probably call me an idiot so I’ll spare you the horrific details l. But again thank you so much for all of this advice you can’t tell how much I appreciate this. THANK YOU!, so what I decided to do was really stupid. The thing is I could not shoes between Rayquaza or Charizard so yeah. I put them in 1 deck... I know wow your an idiot and yes I realize that but I just could not help myself I could show you what I did but you would probably have a heart attack so I’ll show you mercy. Now let’s praise arceus for forgiveness of my horrible crimes of bad deck building. But really Thank you so much see you later! But really if you want to see what i did I’ll show you but beware of the consequences because your eyes will burn.
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28 December 2018 - 06:51 PM

#9

Sakura150612

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Wow I had not seen these comments because for some reason it would not show them but now that I have seen them you guys have had incredible ideas! I already deceived what I would do but i won’t show you guys because you will probably call me an idiot so I’ll spare you the horrific details l. But again thank you so much for all of this advice you can’t tell how much I appreciate this. THANK YOU!, so what I decided to do was really stupid. The thing is I could not shoes between Rayquaza or Charizard so yeah. I put them in 1 deck... I know wow your an idiot and yes I realize that but I just could not help myself I could show you what I did but you would probably have a heart attack so I’ll show you mercy. Now let’s praise arceus for forgiveness of my horrible crimes of bad deck building. But really Thank you so much see you later! But really if you want to see what i did I’ll show you but beware of the consequences because your eyes will burn.

Don't worry too much about it xd I won't burn anyone at the stake just for building a sub-optimal deck. I'm just less nice (probably an understatement admittedly) to the people who complain about everything and say that the game is garbage because they can't win.

 

If you're fine using a mix of Charizard and Rayquaza-GX, it's cool. Honestly, it depends a lot in what kind of opponents you're facing. If you were to take this to the VS Ladder, yeah you'd probably have a rough time. But if you're playing IRL and your opponents are all just using their favorite cards without paying too much mind to optimizing their decks, there's really nothing wrong with you doing the same. In the end, it comes down to you having fun with the game, so if you're having fun, it doesn't matter what kind of deck you're using.

 

Are you using the original list you posted? If you modified it, I'd still be interested in looking at it. I'm sure that even while keeping the Charizard/Rayquaza-GX combo there might be things that can be improved (as in, the actual number of each card you're taking, or which staple trainers you're using). If you don't want to that's alright though.


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28 December 2018 - 08:55 PM

#10

SuperYmax

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Wow thanks for being so nice and yeah I did change it this is how it looks now.


16 Pokémon

Charizard *2
Charmeleon *1
Charmander *2
Cubone *1
Alolan Marowak *1
Rayquaza GX *2
Grubbin *2
Charjabug *1
Vikavolt *2
Latias Prism *1
Oranguru *1

28 Trainers and Items

Nest *******
Ultra balls *4
Rare candy *3
Wishful baton *2
Pal pad *1
Steven’s Resolve *1
Field Blower *1
Faba * 2
Tate & Liza *1
Lillie *2
Cynthia *4
Guzma *2
Energy Recycle System *1
Switch *1

16 Energy

Fire energy *2
Grass energy *5
Electric energy *5
Unit Energy *4




Yeah I know it’s weird as **** but this is what I came up with
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28 December 2018 - 09:35 PM

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SandaledOtter

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Wow thanks for being so nice and yeah I did change it this is how it looks now.


16 Pokémon

Charizard *2
Charmeleon *1
Charmander *2
Cubone *1
Alolan Marowak *1
Rayquaza GX *2
Grubbin *2
Charjabug *1
Vikavolt *2
Latias Prism *1
Oranguru *1

28 Trainers and Items

Nest *******
Ultra balls *4
Rare candy *3
Wishful baton *2
Pal pad *1
Steven’s Resolve *1
Field Blower *1
Faba * 2
Tate & Liza *1
Lillie *2
Cynthia *4
Guzma *2
Energy Recycle System *1
Switch *1

16 Energy

Fire energy *2
Grass energy *5
Electric energy *5
Unit Energy *4




Yeah I know it’s weird as **** but this is what I came up with

 

If you ARE playing online, there's a handy deck list export button in the deck builder, which will include for us the card numbers and sets, so that we can be sure which of these you're using. Even if you aren't, you can still use it by building a deck with cards you don't own.

 

We can guess that you're probably using Oranguru with the Instruct ability, but if you aren't, change to that one.

 

With only 2 Fire energy, Unit Energy must be [G] [F] [W], or you'll never attack with Charizard. Even if it is, you may be lacking a good way to get that energy back after it attacks.


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28 December 2018 - 10:18 PM

#12

SuperYmax

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Yeah what you said is correct Im using the Oranguru with the Instruct ability. And yes I’m using the Unite energy of Grass, Fire and water. Sorry for not including from what set they were.
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29 December 2018 - 02:01 AM

#13

Sakura150612

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Lets see, I'll give you some points you could tweak (in no particular order):

 

> Since you're using multiple types of energies, I think that Alolan Marowak might be a more reliable accelerator. It's still slow, since it takes up your attack of the turn, but I think it's more reliable since it will always be able to get you any 2 energies that you need (be it fire or grass/lightning, depending on whether you're trying to set up the Charizard or the Rayquaza-GX. Because of this, you might to consider using a 3-3 line of Alolan Marowak instead of 1-1. On that note, I'm not too sure if Vikavolt will help too much in a hybrid deck. On a pure Rayquaza-GX deck, I'd say you definitely need a 3-1-3 Vikavolt line, but in this deck that might be too clunky. In my own experience, piloting a double Stage 2 deck is very hard. Other than that whacky multiple Stage 2 deck that uses Meganium, running 2 or more different Stage 2 Pokemon on the deck tends to brick it. Normally Vikavolt would be paired with only Rayquaza-GX, a Basic Pokemon, so you'll have much less dead hands. But for this combination, I would consider eliminating the Vikavolts and relying mostly on Alolan Marowak for energy acceleration.

 

> I don't think Latias Prism Star will do too much for you. At most, assuming that neither Rayquaza-GX is prized and that neither of them is already in the discard pile, Latias will only recover 1 energy, which is less efficient than Alolan Marowak and cannot charge the Charizard at all (which Marowak can). I'd probably consider dropping this card.

 

> You could test the Charizard to a 3-1-3 line instead of 2-1-2. I don't actually know which one will work better, I just have a gut feeling that 3-1-3 might be more consistent.

 

> How many Nest Ball are you running? The number got censored xd Either way, I wouldn't use a very large count of them because they don't work well with Rayquaza-GX's ability (since it only works when you drop the Ray from your hand and not straight from the deck). It might be ok to use 1 or 2.

 

> I think you need to up the Fire Energy count, since Alolan Marowak's attack only works with Basic Energy. That said, 16 total energies is already too high and will probably brick your deck often, so while I see the idea behind the Unit Energies, you might have to leave them aside in favor of increasing the number of Basic Fire Energy. I think that 5 energies of each kind might be ok.

 

> You could consider using a 2-2 line of Magcargo from Celestial Storm, and maybe using 2 Oranguru instead of 1. If you remove the Vikavolt line you should have enough space for it. These two work well together since you can get basically whatever card you want as long as you can reduce your hand to 2 cards or less (Magcargo puts the card you need at the top of your deck and then you actually draw it with Oranguru). If you decide to do this, including a Ditto Prism Star would be pretty solid, since you're using multiple evolution lines (you can't evolve into Charizard from a Ditto Prism Star using a Rare Candy, but it can serve as a filler for either Cubone or Slugma, and you can drop the Charmeleon on it if it's necessary).

 

> I know it's rather expensive, but if you could get your hands on even a single Tapu Lele-GX you would see a significant buff to the consistency of the deck. Being able to search for any single Supporter that you need is a pretty powerful ability, and it could be a pretty solid move to Tapu Lele-GX for the Steven's Resolve turn 1 for a good setup. Tapu Lele-GX can be searched by Ultra Ball and Mysterious Treasure, so it's easy to find when you need it. Speaking of Mysterious Treasure, it might be a good idea to use 1 or 2, although it might not be worth it unless you do include the Tapu Lele-GX (Mysterious Treasure can search for both Rayquaza-GX and Tapu Lele-GX, so if you use both in a deck Mysterious Treasure can be very good).

 

That's what I can think of for now.


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29 December 2018 - 12:15 PM

#14

SuperYmax

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Thanks for the advice! And what I decided is this

17 Pokémon

Charizard *3
Charmeleon *1
Charmander *3
Cubone *3
Alolan Marowak *3
Rayquaza GX *2
Tapu Lele GX *1
Oranguru *1


27 Trainers and Items

Nest ball *2
Ultra balls *4
Rare candy *3
Wishful baton *2
Pal pad *1
Steven’s Resolve *1
Faba * 2
Tate & Liza *1
Lillie *4
Cynthia *4
Guzma *2
Mysterious Treasure *2


15 Energy

Fire energy *5
Grass energy *5
Electric energy *5



I did not use Marcargo or Ditto because I did not have space for them so what should I change now is this alright?
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29 December 2018 - 02:06 PM

#15

Sakura150612

    Elite Trainer

  • Sakura150612

Yes, I think this is ready for a test ride. Making further modifications will come from testing the deck, since that will let you know which cards are being the most useful, which ones aren't doing too much and which ones end up being bricks in your hand.

 

Incidentally, are you playing IRL or online? In the online game you'll eventually be faced with opponents using top tier decks (once you've gained enough ELO), although you'll always be free to just battle your friends in private matches. IRL however, if you're playing in a casual environment, I really do think this deck can be pretty solid even if it's not the most optimal choice. I remember several years back when I did play IRL a little and used to play a Haxorus (from Roaring Skies) deck, whithout any Shaymin-EX or anything too fancy (no VS Seekers too because they were quite expensive back in the day). Much to my surprise, I actually won over half of my matches xd 

 

So yeah, any deck can work well. If you're playing against more casual players, that just gives you some more leeway to try new, fun things.


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29 December 2018 - 03:30 PM

#16

SuperYmax

    Rookie Trainer

  • SuperYmax
Okay thanks, and I play IRL and online. So yeah I have already ordered most of the cards so I still will have other cards that you recommend such as aligns and Ditto. So thank you so much!
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29 December 2018 - 05:16 PM

#17

Sakura150612

    Elite Trainer

  • Sakura150612

No problem :) If after playing with it a little you feel like it needs some adjustments, feel free to ask for help once more.


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30 December 2018 - 12:03 AM

#18

SuperStone

    Elite Trainer

  • SuperStone

I think that the supporter line could be more consistent- Lillie is amazing turn 1, but then becomes meh.  You might try sightseer, though I'm not sure this is the right deck for her.  The other real option is- considering you have Rayjex (my goodness that sounds so much less elegant than the old Rayquaza-EX's abbreviation) and might be using it's GX attack early on- Hala.


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