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Are You Interested In Legacy Tournaments Returning?


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24 December 2018 - 02:42 AM

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OU7C4ST

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The developers have stated in the past when the removal of Legacy Tournaments were taking place, that they would potentially add them later down the road if it seemed appropriate.

Would you like to see them return?

If so, what prizes would you like to see from Legacy Tournaments?

If not, why?

Do you think if Legacy Tournaments returned, you would be more inclined to play Legacy on the VS section too? 


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24 December 2018 - 04:13 AM

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SuperStone

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Yes.

 

Rotating boosters and old promos.

 

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Definately.


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24 December 2018 - 04:53 AM

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Sakura150612

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Yes, absolutely. I don't know what reason they had to remove them in the first place. It's true that there were not a whole lot of people playing Legacy, but removing the Legacy tournaments was the final nail in the coffin for this format. With the removal of tournaments, there is even less of an incentive to start playing Legacy.

 

I would love to see HGSS era packs as the rewards again. It's cool that they're available in the Token shop, but it would be very nice to have tradable HGSS packs once more.


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24 December 2018 - 11:52 AM

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Felidae_

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Why do people create polls / surveys and can't even be bothered to answer their own questions ?

 

Honestly at the moment I'm not sure if I'd be happy about a return or them or not.

For the sake of argument I'd say go for it, simply because they don't hurt anyone and a lot of people would probably be delighted, so there is no real reason to argue against them, even if I personally wouldn't be too stoked.

 

The problem with Legacy will always be the limited card pool and the seldom fact that the meta has been set in stone for such a long time now.

 

Personally I'd wish for a return of Unlimited (with a modified ban list to prevent decks like Shiftry from destroying the format). The game desperately needs a creative / fun mode and Unlimited used to be just that.


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25 December 2018 - 02:37 AM

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OU7C4ST

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Why do people create polls / surveys and can't even be bothered to answer their own questions ?

I've been pretty vocal about my stances on this in the past on here, and numerous other social media platforms, but I was unaware it would weirdly upset people that I didn't post it again.  :wacko:  :blink: 

1. I would love to see it return. It's my favorite format.

2. Regarding prizes. HG/SS era packs, & since gem bundles are now out of the game, I'd love to see unobtainable promos, & card sleeves/deck boxes that we don't have the chance to currently purchase anymore.

3. I would play in Legacy VS Mode if there were people for sure. Bring Legacy Tournaments back, I feel this would bring life to Legacy VS as well, as people are going to want to test their decks before tournaments.


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28 December 2018 - 12:09 AM

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Otakutron

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The problem with Legacy will always be the limited card pool and the seldom fact that the meta has been set in stone for such a long time now.

 

You're entitled to your own opinions, but are you sure that is a well reasoned-one?

 

I mean, the cardpool covers the entirety of HeartGold/SoulSilver-era and Black & White-era.  Now the packs are available in the stores, so it is even easier to try for what you need.

 

The Legacy Format "died" while I was barely playing the PTCGO, so did it stagnate during that time?  What I experienced from its creation until approximately a year ago was a Format that would keep you guessing.  Something would dominate... but counters would arise so, whether it was days, weeks, or months later, something else was now the top deck in the metagame.

 

If it did truly stagnate, however please let me know.  It is the only way I can learn!


Edited by Otakutron, 28 December 2018 - 12:10 AM.

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28 December 2018 - 01:11 AM

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Loof6

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yes, with legacy booster as rewards


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28 December 2018 - 07:55 AM

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Hello there trainers, thank you everyone for sending us your great suggestions. I will forward this thread to the development team. 


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28 December 2018 - 10:53 AM

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Felidae_

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I've been pretty vocal about my stances on this in the past on here, and numerous other social media platforms, but I was unaware it would weirdly upset people that I didn't post it again.  :wacko:  :blink: 
 

Dude, I barely read the forums and occasionally 60cards, how'd I know what you say on “insert random platform here”. Besides, you might be an exception to this rule, but my observation was more leaning towards a general statement, as I've seen this trend quite often in the past.

 

 

You're entitled to your own opinions, but are you sure that is a well reasoned-one?

 

I mean, the cardpool covers the entirety of HeartGold/SoulSilver-era and Black & White-era.  Now the packs are available in the stores, so it is even easier to try for what you need.

 

The Legacy Format "died" while I was barely playing the PTCGO, so did it stagnate during that time?  What I experienced from its creation until approximately a year ago was a Format that would keep you guessing.  Something would dominate... but counters would arise so, whether it was days, weeks, or months later, something else was now the top deck in the metagame.

 

If it did truly stagnate, however please let me know.  It is the only way I can learn!

I wasn't talking about card availability. Sure, nowadays it's easier to get your hands on cards like Celebi Prime, Smeargle, Junk Arm, etc. However that wasn't really an issue back then, at least in my experience, as the core of every deck where usually BW era cards that were easy to acquire.

 

The problem with the card pool is simply, that in the top end you'd see zero development, simply because the best strategies have been set in stone. There is no non EX attacker that can hit consistently for as much damage as Weavile. There is no EX deck that can set up as fast as Genesect. There is no deck as disruptive as Sableye. No deck has as much late game power as Empoleon. [….]

All of the top decks are beyond comparison in the format and without new cards to shake up the meta it's impossible to create something new out of thin air. While you could in theory build a deck designed specifically to counter one of the top decks, you'll likely get eaten alive by the rest of them in the process.

 

Maybe your experience was slightly different from mine, as it always depends on the environment you play in, so all I can say is that on the top level the meta was set in stone roughly since mid 2017 and hasn't moved an inch since then.


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28 December 2018 - 04:07 PM

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Otakutron

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Felidae_, on 28 Dec 2018 - 04:53 AM, said:
Maybe your experience was slightly different from mine, as it always depends on the environment you play in, so all I can say is that on the top level the meta was set in stone roughly since mid 2017 and hasn't moved an inch since then.

Yes, my experience was different...

Strong decks were rarely lost from the Top Tier, but discovering what all was in it seemed to take a while. I'm not sure if the process ever really finished, but again maybe it did after I cut way back on playing the PTCGO. By the time I did slack off, I think there were three or four decks I'd consider "Top Tier". Between time and the variable nature of some of their line-ups, it is difficult to actually name them, but off the top of my head it was something like
  • Cobalion-EX/Landorus-EX/Mewtwo-EX backed by Garbodor (DRX)
  • Genesect-EX/Virizion-EX a.k.a. VirGen
  • Weavile [Plasma]
  • Spread/Lock deck

That first one would fluctuate; sometimes another attacker would join those three, sometimes Cobalion-EX wasn't worth including, etc.depending on the current metagame. Yes, I'm still talking about the Legacy Format and not a past Standard Format. ;) As for the ill-defined final entry, I'm afraid my memory is quite sketchy. It doesn't help that there were some similar decks which weren't as effective. I just remember it shutting down even those top decks I mentioned, as well as most of the lesser ones, if it set up in a timely manner. It was not easy to run, however, because the list really called for three or four copies of Tropical Beach.

The thing is, these decks were not the entirety of the competitive metagame. If I assign decks "Ranks", the Above would be A Rank.  There'd be B and C Ranked decks as well, which saw what I'd consider successful, competitive play. Some were budget, but effective enough to still have a prayer. Others would be A Rank except for one or two really bad matchups or counters that brought them low. The thing is you couldn't count any of them out because of TecH or even more involved counter strategies.

Now, if you're telling me "Yeah... that was some months before what I was talking about, Otakutron." then yeah, I'm wrong. Sorry to stretch it out so long. >_


Edited by Otakutron, 29 December 2018 - 06:34 PM.

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29 December 2018 - 01:20 AM

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Felidae_

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Haha :D. Yeah, the experience can certainly differ from person to person, either due to the time they started, or due to the environment.

 

I just found an old article I wrote back in December 2016, giving an overview of the format and how it came to be in the first place. Back then the meta hadn't settled yet, so I crucially missed Empoleon in my deck overview, but never the less I think it still holds up as a nice history piece.

 

Since we can't post links here I'd encourage you to search for “60 cards legacy format”

If you find this topic you are good to go:

The Legacy format: History, Decks and Offline potential

A quick introduction to the creative madness that is Legacy.


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29 December 2018 - 06:35 PM

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Otakutron

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I'll check it out when I have time.  Oh, and I had to edit my comment because apparently if you precede the word "Rank" with the letter "C" it resembles something the censor doesn't like, so the whole thing becomes "*****".


Edited by Otakutron, 29 December 2018 - 06:36 PM.

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29 December 2018 - 09:26 PM

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SuperStone

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No deck has as much late game power as Empoleon.

 I mean, Glaciate/dusknoir, but that requires you to survive until the late game. :P


Edited by SuperStone, 29 December 2018 - 09:27 PM.

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01 January 2019 - 07:34 PM

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Adhir1995

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I logged in after 2 years to play Legacy to find apparently they are gone

 

so short answer yes


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01 January 2019 - 08:20 PM

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Sakura150612

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I logged in after 2 years to play Legacy to find apparently they are gone

 

so short answer yes

Welcome back :) It's been a while since I last saw you.


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03 January 2019 - 06:55 PM

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DaBadBoss

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I think with legacy boosters and theme decks in token shop, the format is more accessible to newer players than it has been. I’d definitely be interested in the return of legacy tours with legacy boosters as rewards. This is just a side suggestion: there could be legacy staples on ladder to help newer players get into the format or have separate ladders for formats with some rotating staples and locked packs from each format as rewards instead of going back and forth on standard and expanded ladders. Also more bundles would help newer players transition into legacy if they wanted. The typhloaion bundle for example was really good value for people transitioning into legacy.
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