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KaiLaSo

I haven't get any theme deck for a long time and I want to know which is the best now? There are too many now.

 

Plan to use it to win standard booster pack in event  :D

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Sakura150612

Hmm, wait until someone else answers too because I've been away for too long to give you a clear-cut answer, but imo Match Strike is the strongest deck currently.

 

I say this based of some stuff I searched in google and my own experience using the deck, but I do know there are other strong decks too, some of which give a hard time to Match Strike.

 

You can't go wrong with Match Strike but it's not necessarilly the #1 deck.

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Harion

Hydro Fury beats Mach Strike now. It's the strongest theme deck (IMO). Few weaknesses, great draw coupled with tutoring. Unless you run into Tropical Takedown or Leaf Charge, which are its natural counters. Both, however, falls to Mach Strike - so it's kind of a rock, papers, scissors situation right now in Theme. Which is a good thing. There's a lot of Hydro Fury running in Theme right now, so you might wanna take a chance with Leaf Charge. Mach Strike has kind of calmed down with the abundance of Hydro Fury.

 

Overall, when you find yourself gone too long, it's a good bet that the latest theme decks will always be the strongest theme decks.

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Mod_Alder

Hello Trainers! 

 

Thanks everyone for trying to help out a fellow player. 

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KaiLaSo

Hmm, wait until someone else answers too because I've been away for too long to give you a clear-cut answer, but imo Match Strike is the strongest deck currently.

 

I say this based of some stuff I searched in google and my own experience using the deck, but I do know there are other strong decks too, some of which give a hard time to Match Strike.

 

You can't go wrong with Match Strike but it's not necessarilly the #1 deck.

 

Hydro Fury beats Mach Strike now. It's the strongest theme deck (IMO). Few weaknesses, great draw coupled with tutoring. Unless you run into Tropical Takedown or Leaf Charge, which are its natural counters. Both, however, falls to Mach Strike - so it's kind of a rock, papers, scissors situation right now in Theme. Which is a good thing. There's a lot of Hydro Fury running in Theme right now, so you might wanna take a chance with Leaf Charge. Mach Strike has kind of calmed down with the abundance of Hydro Fury.

 

Overall, when you find yourself gone too long, it's a good bet that the latest theme decks will always be the strongest theme decks.

 

Will try out both theme deck :)

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Oldschool1990

Make your choice. The meta has turned slightly into rock-paper-scizzors again, chose your deck and consider your possible matchups. From the top-decks that define the metagame, Tropical Takedown is currently beeing the most dominant deck. This is due to a developement from Mach Strike/Twilight Rouge getting beaten by Hydro Fury, which was dominant for a short time before the meta shifted to Tropical Takedown in response, which basically does the same thing that Mach Strike does: fast aggro.
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legend:
A > B = A has a good matchup against B
A < B = A has a bad matchup against B
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Tropical Takedown > Hydro Fury
Tropical Takedown > Twilight Rouge
Tropical Takedown > Leaf Charge
Tropical Takedown < Mach Strike

sum:
> = 3
< = 1
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Hydro Fury < Tropical Takedown
Hydro Fury > Twilight Rouge
Hydro Fury < Leaf Charge
Hydro Fury > Mach Strike

sum:
> = 2
< = 2
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Twilight Rouge < Tropical Takedown
Twilight Rouge < Hydro Fury
Twilight Rouge > Leaf Charge
Twilight Rouge > Mach Strike

 

sum:
> = 2
< = 2
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Leaf Charge < Tropical Takedown
Leaf Charge > Hydro Fury
Leaf Charge < Twilight Rouge
Leaf Charge > Mach Strike

sum:
> = 2
< = 2
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Mach Strike > Tropical Takedown
Mach Strike < Hydro Fury
Mach Strike < Twilight Rouge
Mach Strike < Leaf Charge

sum:
> = 1
< = 3
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Please keep in mind that with the next set realease, there will be 2 new Theme Decks, 1 featuring Entei (fire), 1 featuring Raikou (electric). I think that the new Fire deck will shake things up a little, especially hitting Tropical Takedown and Leaf Charge with weakness.

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SandaledOtter

"Rogue."

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Harion

anyone try out the new theme decks yet? i looked at the cards and i wasn't particularly impressed.

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Pokegen85

I’m surprised that Imperial Command was left out of this discussion. I’ve won tournaments with it, and it is faster than Mach Strike.

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Otakutron

Here are the Theme Decks I think are competitive in the Theme Format, from best to worst.

 

Blazing Volcano

Storm Caller

Hydro Fury

Leaf Charge

Imperial Command

Mach Strike

Tropical Takedown

Twilight Rogue

Clanging Thunder
Destruction Fang

 

Some older Theme Decks can still win, but both their reliability and power tend to drop off dramatically the further you go back.  The exact ordering of these is open to debate, and just because I ranked something higher does not mean it reliably beats every deck below it.  Blazing Volcano is the best overall deck, but it is also new so I may simply have had "good luck" in using it. It does have a full 12 Supporters in it, and a strong strategy; what really makes me worried is that Hydro Fury and Imperial March are also great decks, and while not quite as good, their Typing gives gives them a serious edge over the Water Weak Blaziking Volcano.

 

An edge is not an auto win, however, and Weakness is significant for every deck on here but Mach Strike and Clanging Thunder.

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DalekNeko

well im loving Blazing Volcano , i use it on theme events and i go 8/10  i only lose vs Imperial Command or a mirror match with better hand

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Chasista

anyone try out the new theme decks yet? i looked at the cards and i wasn't particularly impressed.

 

Blazing volcano gives you absolute control turn 2/3 onwards, because of a ton of good Support+Abilities. And hits very hard.

 

Storm caller, it's a mess with too much evo lines, an unclear main attacker and a huge lack of Supporters and items to move your hand or get anything. Hence, you play the evo line you get in your hand praying to get next stage ASAP in a different game every time, which means no straight strategy. It's extremely slow and random to set up. On the other side, if you're able to stay alive turns enough (around 5 at least), it have high chances to win you games.

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Otakutron

Blazing volcano gives you absolute control turn 2/3 onwards, because of a ton of good Support+Abilities. And hits very hard.

 

Storm caller, it's a mess with too much evo lines, an unclear main attacker and a huge lack of Supporters and items to move your hand or get anything. Hence, you play the evo line you get in your hand praying to get next stage ASAP in a different game every time, which means no straight strategy. It's extremely slow and random to set up. On the other side, if you're able to stay alive turns enough (around 5 at least), it have high chances to win you games.

 

All Theme Decks suffer from misfires.  I haven't run Storm Caller as much as Blazing Volcano (or older Theme Decks), but that's just a matter of a personal whim and then Challenges aligning properly.  Storm Caller isn't as reliable as Blazing Volcano.  Blazing Volcano has probably set a new standard for reliability in Theme Decks, so it isn't surprising that Storm Caller falls short. There are some other semi-recent Theme Decks which are a little easier to run or a little more reliable, but they don't come with the "rewards" of Storm Caller when it even half-nails its setup.

 

As for the tools (not Pokémon Tools) the deck has to aid its setup, Storm Caller is not lacking.  It has Smeargle, Zebstrika, and several Items and Supporters.  It just doesn't have a secondary attacker that can hit hard by taking a minimalist approach against an opponent who can't keep his or her hand size up e.g. Houndoom in Blazing Volcano. ;)

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Harion

I take back what I said. Both Blazing Volcano and Storm Caller are good. Storm Caller tactics' may look like scattered all over but that's because the deck is designed to give you an option no matter which Pokemon you get in your starting hand.

 

Zebstrika is there to thin the deck and give you draw. If you can get Ampharos and Raikou out, it's pretty much over. Raikou is your main hitter, Ampharos is your staller and can freeze opposing high HP mons. If you can't get Ampharos out, Naganadel will be your hitter. Naganadel is easy to set up and has energy acceleration. Even the two neutral mons Smeargle and Furfrou can help you set up in the early turns. Storm Caller is ideal in the current meta because there are no Fighting and Psychic decks running around. Blazing Volcano still falls to Hydro Fury and Imperial Command.

 

Also, if you already have Magcargo and Blaziken out, Entei is your main hitter in Blazing volcano. Not Houndoom. Use Smooth Over to put an energy card on top of your deck. Hit with Entei's Eruption, then use Firestarter to attach the discarded energy on to any of your pokemon. Houndoom isn't nearly as consistent because sometimes you may have low card count in your hand.

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RobRatt

Storm Caller is ideal in the current meta because there are no Fighting and Psychic decks running around.

 

Blazing Volcano still falls to Hydro Fury and Imperial Command.

I don't disagree with your analysis of these 2 decks.  They're both good.

 

But with Storm Caller, maybe you're forgetting Twilight Rogue, with Dusknoir and Lycanroc?  That deck is one of my fav's, and would make tasty snacks out of your Pokémon (provided we didn't have Theme Deck bad luck).

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Dave230

Garchomp isn't unbeatable I've beat it with swampert deck. I like the new raikou theme dec k. I also don't see too many twilight rogue decks that much anymore.

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GR0

Easily Imperial Command. I've even won games with it that started so horribly that most people would've conceded. I currently have a 9 win streak thanks to it. Even Mach Strike never stood a chance against it: I broke those dragons like toothpicks.

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Dave230

Yeah can't stand imperial command I'd rather not play it if i can avoid it.

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eimajamie

I really wish they'd have like a Legacy Theme option. Where you could battle players with older decks. 

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SuperStone

I really wish they'd have like a Legacy Theme option. Where you could battle players with older decks. 

That would be nice and all, but I don't think there are enough players who would put in enough time for it to be worth it.  You see, when there are too many format options for players, they get split up and spread out enough that wait times and competitivity in some of the formats get devastated.  That leads to a situation where, not only does the new option effectively not exist, but also there are fewer possible opponents in the old option, and a lot of people are wasting perfectly good time waiting for a game that won't be worth it.

 

What I personally think they should do it have limited-run special formats, of which this could be one.  For, say, two weeks every two months, there would be a one-time format with specific rules to create a different and interesting metagame with new and exciting strategies- but because it doesn't stay long enough to "get old," and because they aren't there every week, player distribution would stay in reasonable levels.

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RobRatt

I really wish they'd have like a Legacy Theme option. Where you could battle players with older decks. 

If by "Legacy," you mean just the old HGSS or BW decks, it wouldn't fly very far.  Yet, it sure would be nice to play some of the older decks without getting creamed by the Sun & Moon monsters.  Maybe they could enhance the definition of "Legacy," just for theme decks, since that format is strictly Online?

 

It would be nice to see two (2) options, to make these decks fair, and worth playing.

 

1.  Standard.  Everything, just like it is now.  And of course, that's going to be dominated by all of the SM-era decks.  Their trainer engine, and Pokémon HP are just too good against most of the older decks.

 

2.  Legacy.  HGSS, BW, and XY decks.  Exclude the S&M decks, and above.  Most of these old decks are balanced among themselves.  Knowing that Garchomp, Empoleon, Entei, Ampharos, and the rest wouldn't appear would make them fun again.

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iRockin

I only started playing a few days ago. I decided to purchase Blazing Volcano as my first and it feels like I've won nearly every game I've played in themed VS (>75% win rate)

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SandaledOtter

I only started playing a few days ago. I decided to purchase Blazing Volcano as my first and it feels like I've won nearly every game I've played in themed VS (>75% win rate)

I've been playing for a couple years. Having purchased Blazing Volcano when it was released, I decided to try it out in a couple events, and I've lost 66% of games with it there.

 

:D

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Sakura150612

I've been playing for a couple years. Having purchased Blazing Volcano when it was released, I decided to try it out in a couple events, and I've lost 66% of games with it there.

 

:D

Dang xD That's some bad luck though. I don't play too much Theme Deck games, but from what little I've used it (and played against it) I'd say that Blazing Volcano feels pretty solid.

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Chasista

Dang xD That's some bad luck though. I don't play too much Theme Deck games, but from what little I've used it (and played against it) I'd say that Blazing Volcano feels pretty solid.

 

It's the most prepared-to-win theme deck by far. I've even won vs Imperial command. I've to say I felt like I had kind of new player or someone with first games with they deck in front or not knowing the B. volcano deck cards but anyway I managed to win over weakness and you actually only can Guzma once for Buitzel with Heracross to tie the things. Other water included are not weak to Grass.

 

Hits hard and have the best trainers. Other only deck at that level (to me) is Mach strike for its unique conditions. Rest are good and strong in the format, but would suffer more if not too much weakness each to other. Have easy wins and hard loses by its type more than for its construction.

 

But is fun finally some diversity in Theme. That's good.

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