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September 1, 2018 Format Rotation - Shine of GENGAR!


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02 August 2018 - 05:40 AM

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Player_Jay

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I would like to get some advice on my Alternate Gengar Deck.
I have 2 different Gengar decks for upcoming Format.

A few weeks ago, I shared my Gengar + (Bats) deck list.
It got a healthy amount of views + deck improvement tips.
I feel the thread was a success!

I have decided to come back with my Alternative Gengar Deck build!
I call the deck the Shrine of Gengar!
I am going to share the deck list + my thoughts on deck.

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 17

* 1 Oranguru SUM 113
* 4 Gastly CIN 36
* 2 Inkay FLI 50
* 1 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60
* 2 Haunter CIN 37
* 1 Malamar FLI 51
* 4 Gengar CIN 38
* 2 Alolan Vulpix GRI 21

##Trainer Cards - 32

* 1 Gladion CIN 109
* 4 Mysterious Treasure FLI 113
* 2 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130
* 1 Pal Pad UPR 132
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 2 Lillie SUM 147 ———————-> May Keep or Replace with Tata&Liza or Copy Cat
* 4 Rare Candy SUM 129
* 2 Pokémon Fan Club UPR 155
* 2 Guzma BUS 115
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 3 Field Blower ————————————> Shine of Punishment
* 3 Judge FLI 108
* 1 Order Pad UPR 131

##Energy - 11

* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 7 Psychic Energy SUM 162

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******

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My deck idea is to make my opponents GX/EX decks suffer!
I feel these GX/EX decks are a Glutton for Punishment.
I think the time has come for some pay back!
I feel it is my duty to get revenge for all the other Non-GX/EX Pokémon in the game.

The way I plan to get revenge is by using the New Stadium called Shrine of Punishment!

**Every turn, both yours & your opponent, you are allowed to put 10 Damage on all GX/EX Pokémon in play.**

Obviously, The Gengar deck I am using has to run barely any GX Pokémon.
The stadium can kill my own GX Pokémon if I use a lot of them.

I added 1 Tapu Lele GX into my deck to help set up my turn 1 board with Pokémon Fan Club.
However, The 1 Tapu Lele GX is a test!
I don’t know if I should keep it.
I am open to idea’s.

My plan is to set up with the 1 Tapu Lele + Attack with it.
I want to kill it off before it becomes a Liability.
This is my justification for using only 1.

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Now that I got the formalities out of the way.
We can talk about the Star Pokémon Gengar!

Gengar has an ability called Gnawing Curse.

**Every time your opponent puts energy from the hand onto a Pokémon they get hit for 20 Damage per Gengar in play.**

If you have 4 Gengar in play, They get hit for 80 Damage.
You combine the 80 with a Shine on your turn + opponent turn.
We reach 100 Damage with out even fighting there Pokémon.
They are half way dead!

Those high HP GX Pokémon thought they was real slick with 200 HP vs our 130 HP.
Boom!
They are down to 100 now.
Who is beating who now?
130 > 100

YEAH!
Revenge is meal best served cold!
The Shine of Gengar!

I also want to mention another thing.
Gengar hits the below Pokémon for Weakness Advantage:
-Buzzwole
-Nagandel

Based on the Communities overall jist, The above 2 Pokémon are expected to see some play in the up coming Format.
I feel this gives more justification for playing the deck.

What does everyone else think?
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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03 August 2018 - 03:26 AM

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Pokegen85

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I love this deck! Thanks so much for sharing it with us Player_Jay. You've given me some great advice regarding my deck, and if its okay I'd like to give my take on how your deck might be improved.

 

To begin, I would have the same concern that you have with the Tapu Lele GX. Its hard to consider removing it given the irreplaceable Wonder Tag ability. The way I see it, you have two options here with that particular card:

 

Option #1) Hakuna Matata. The card isn't part of your attack plan. Chances are good that it could be Guzma'd up and eliminated for two prize cards. So what? You'll have your Gengars up and running by then, and can easily answer that. If you need to, slap an energy on Tapu Lele GX to use its GX attack. The healing from Tapu Cure might make the difference between a win or a loss.

 

Option #2) Max Potion, Scoop Up, etc. Put two of whatever heals Tapu Lele GX or pulls it from your bench.

 

The only other issue that I see is your choice of removing field blower completely. You need room for those shiny new Shrines... I get it. At least make room in your deck for two field blowers though by removing other cards instead. This way you can make your opponent get stuck by blowing away their float stones or removing their stadium card if yours have yet to surface. I'd take out one of the three judges and one of the rescue stretchers in favor of them. But that's just my preference.


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03 August 2018 - 04:37 PM

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Player_Jay

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Yeah, I did consider Max Potion + Scoop Up.
The only problem is I felt like they would only benefit Tapu Lele.
My Gengar has low HP.
My Gengar will probably not make much use out of the Max Potion or Scoop up’s.

I could use Tapu Lele has an attacker and not worry about it.
The deck has Psychic energy + DCE.
I was a little hesitant to use Tapu Lele as an attacker.

However, I think your recommendation to use it as an attacker is a confirmation.
It might be the best option.

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I do have a flexible spot in my deck.
I am using Order Pal which could be replaced.
I liked the versatility it gave, but it is a coin flip.
I could replace it for Field Blower.

The only reason I am hesitant to do so is because of upcoming Format.
-Float Stone will be gone
-Parallel City will be gone
-Garbodor will be gone

The above cards seemed to be my main threats in Standard.
This is why I ran the Field Blower.
They are all leaving though.
I don’t think anything is going to replace them efficiently.

I was thinking that I didn’t need any Field Blowers.
-Choice Band isn’t a threat to my deck because my Pokémon are mostly non-GX
-Rival Stadium can get replaced with my Stadium.
Maybe, I can run Field Blower to remove Skate Boards?

I am going to wait for now.
The deck slot is flexible though.
I can definitely change something if items become a problem.

Edited by Player_Jay, 03 August 2018 - 04:45 PM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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06 August 2018 - 01:20 AM

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Player_Jay

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The game hates me!
I can’t pull a single Shrine of Punishment from CS pack.

The worst part is people in public trades have gone crazy.
3 CS packs for 1 Regular Art Shrine of Punishment.
What is going on in the Pokémon World.

Are people trading for that price?
It seems insane to me.

My deck will get finished one day!
A long awaited dream.

Edited by Player_Jay, 06 August 2018 - 01:23 AM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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06 August 2018 - 07:29 PM

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Pokegen85

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The game hates me!
I can’t pull a single Shrine of Punishment from CS pack.
The worst part is people in public trades have gone crazy.
3 CS packs for 1 Regular Art Shrine of Punishment.
What is going on in the Pokémon World.
Are people trading for that price?
It seems insane to me.
My deck will get finished one day!
A long awaited dream.


It’s a new expansion. Cardholders have the supply, and you have the demand. I’m not surprised at all that people are charging high prices for cards they know others are going to be looking for. The question you must ask yourself is whether having the card this soon is worth the elevated price. I’m willing to bet that the price of the Celestial Storm cards are going to drop the more the market gets flooded with them. If it makes you feel any better, I’m nowhere near the 500 coins I need to purchase an Apricorn Maker. I haven’t been playing as much over the last two weeks, but that’s going to change as soon as the current full of fail versus ladder bites the dust. When you complete your deck, would you please do me the high honor of allowing Dan’s Steely Knives to have a match against it?
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06 August 2018 - 09:37 PM

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Player_Jay

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It’s a new expansion. Cardholders have the supply, and you have the demand. I’m not surprised at all that people are charging high prices for cards they know others are going to be looking for. The question you must ask yourself is whether having the card this soon is worth the elevated price. I’m willing to bet that the price of the Celestial Storm cards are going to drop the more the market gets flooded with them. If it makes you feel any better, I’m nowhere near the 500 coins I need to purchase an Apricorn Maker. I haven’t been playing as much over the last two weeks, but that’s going to change as soon as the current full of fail versus ladder bites the dust. When you complete your deck, would you please do me the high honor of allowing Dan’s Steely Knives to have a match against it?

The Pokémon RNG Gods smiled on me by giving me 1 Shrine of Punishment Stadium!!
My deck is still missing 2 copies.

However, I played a few battle with it using 2x Field Blower + 1x Stadium.
The Battles I had were insane.

Oh My Gosh
I have had some epic battles.
I faced a Ultra Necrozma Deck.
The guy was in shock.

The Damage was coming from all over the place!
-Stadium
-Ability
-Gengar Attack

I manage to win the game!
It was so hilarious

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I had another epic Rogue match.
I faced a guy who is truly brilliant!
I won the battle, but I had to tip my hat to that guy.

The guy was playing Infernape!
I have never seen anyone play the deck in such a way.
The guy is a Pokémon genius.

Infernape + Fire Oricorio + Fire Salazzle Baby + Shrine of Punishment
My opponent was playing that deck make up.
It was the most brilliant thing I ever saw.

My Gengar Deck won, but it was crazy close match.

I have to tell you guy strategy because it was brilliant.
Infernape makes all burn damage do 60 instead of 20.

The player had Oricorio in Attack position.
When Oricorio attack’s it forces the opponent active Pokémon to switch.
The new Pokémon that comes out is than burned which ends up with 60 D.
Thanks to Infernape on bench.

He was picking off a few of my Baby’s with his Oricorio + Infernape Combo.
However, I was picking off a few of his Pokémon because of the Gnawing Curse + Haunter Combo.
Haunter pain amplifier is no joke. Lol
It was a epic Damage Counter battle.

Edited by Player_Jay, 06 August 2018 - 09:47 PM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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10 August 2018 - 01:23 AM

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Player_Jay

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Ladies & Gentlemen - I have terrible news to tell you.
I have changed my deck list.
I played my deck vs. other Post-Rotation decks.
My deck had a 30-40% win rate.

After suffering such a terrible performance, I looked at my deck from a new perspective.
-I thought about my card choices.
-I thought about my ideal board set up.

In the end, I created a newer looking deck.
I had to make a lot of sacrifices to my deck list.
I cut things out from the deck list that I didn’t want too.
I felt like I had no other choice.
It was a very painful.
It definitely hurt.

I think it was for the greater good though.
I have been playing my new deck list vs. Post Rotation decks.
The win rate I have at the moment is 100%.
However, I have only played 3 battle so far.

Here is my new deck list:

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 15

* 4 Gastly CIN 36
* 2 Inkay FLI 50
* 1 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60
* 2 Haunter CIN 37
* 2 Malamar FLI 51
* 4 Gengar CIN 38

##Trainer Cards - 34

* 4 Mysterious Treasure FLI 113
* 2 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130
* 2 Pokémon Fan Club UPR 155
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 4 Rare Candy SUM 129
* 3 Guzma BUS 115
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 4 Acro Bike CES 123
* 2 Judge FLI 108
* 3 Shrine of Punishment CES 143
* 3 Tate & Liza CES 148

##Energy - 11

* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 7 Psychic Energy SUM 162

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******

It has no Oranguru.
It has no Vulpix.
It has no Gladion.
Painful Sacrifices!

Here is the problem:
My ideal board has the following cards:
1x Gengar in active
3x Gengar on bench
1x Malamar on bench
1x Tapu Lele on bench

Gengar Ability stacks!
I really want 4 out on my field if I can manage it.

I was using Vulpix has a sacrificial lead.
I bring out Vulpix in active spot to speed up my set up.
-Than my opponent kills it off.
-Than I bring out my main Pokémon to get the first big hit on there main Pokémon.
This is more or less the idea with using a sacrificial lead.

The problem is I am facing good players.
The basters don’t corporate!
They know I want them to kill off my Vulpix.

Guess what they do?
They evolve Rockruff into Lycanroc and force my Vulpix to bench line.
Than they attack my main Pokémon!

The entire move they do puts me in the most awkward position.
This deck specifically wants 4x Gengar, 1x Lele, 1x Malamar.

If I was playing a Creepshow Gengar deck, I wouldn’t care if a Vulpix was on my bench.
3x Gengar, 1x Lele, 1x Malamar, 1x Vulpix - it doesn’t really matter.
The Creepshow Gengar doesn’t stack or anything.
The Gnawing Curse Gengar that I’m using needs to stack.

This is my main reason for removing Vulpix & Oranguru.
They both have helped me win so many games.
However, they seem to be hindering me in this deck.

I would love to use them!
The question is what can I do?

The deck seems to be performing better than before.

Edited by Player_Jay, 10 August 2018 - 01:37 AM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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