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10 August 2018 - 01:03 PM

#21

KianEndacott

    Novice Trainer

  • KianEndacott

Thanks for the discussion - I've found it quite interesting and don't actually take offence to any of the comments even though they were attacking me directly.

 

As I've stated before, I don't have an issue with Concede itself and agree that it provides an opportunity to move on when you know the game is lost.  But what I don't like is that the conceding player gets 'rewarded' by potentially collecting any challenge points and knock out points, but the winning player potentially doesn't get any challenge points for their final turn.


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Yesterday, 09:34 AM

#22

Player_Jay

    Senior Trainer

  • Player_Jay

Thanks for the discussion - I've found it quite interesting and don't actually take offence to any of the comments even though they were attacking me directly.



As I've stated before, I don't have an issue with Concede itself and agree that it provides an opportunity to move on when you know the game is lost. But what I don't like is that the conceding player gets 'rewarded' by potentially collecting any challenge points and knock out points, but the winning player potentially doesn't get any challenge points for their final turn.

Nor should the winning player be rewarded challenging points.
The winning player has ready been rewarded by the victory + victory coins/present boxes for winning.

Do you not understand how your request would reward those who are “****”.

I will give you an example:
Let’s say your daily challenge is to evolve 10 Water Pokémon.

Your idea is to play out the final turn by evolving your Water Pokémon to get Daily Challenge rewards at the expense of your opponent time.

You are intentionally trying to level up your Pokémon to unlock the 10 Evolution Reward instead of doing a clear attacking move to win the game.

You are being a “****” for not finishing the battle in a swift manner.
This demonstrates a total lack of respect for your opponent that your facing.

Your proposal is for the game to continue playing out this selfish behavior by allowing you to finish your final turn?

Your basically asking the game to reinforce your selfish + disrespectful behavior.
This is the way I view your proposal.
I view it as a selfish + disrespectful proposal.
It takes a lot of courage for a person to concede to another person.
They are admitting that you got the better of them in the Battle.
An your proposal seems inhuman to me.

The proposal your requesting doesn’t care that the opponent conceded.
All it cares about is trying to get 30+ fictional coins from an irrelevant Challenge that resets daily.

I would love it if you could change my mind.
I don’t like to think other people are selfish, disrespectful, and inhuman.
I like to believe everyone is nice, kind, and respectful.

I am just having trouble seeing how carrying on in a battle that has already been concede is considered a selfless/kind act.

Edited by Player_Jay, Yesterday, 09:37 AM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Yesterday, 01:28 PM

#23

SandaledOtter

    Elite Trainer

  • SandaledOtter

I am just having trouble seeing how carrying on in a battle that has already been concede is considered a selfless/kind act.

The conceding player leaves when they concede. They aren't needed for you to play out your turn, as evidenced by the player disconnect protocol.


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Yesterday, 11:21 PM

#24

Player_Jay

    Senior Trainer

  • Player_Jay

The conceding player leaves when they concede. They aren't needed for you to play out your turn, as evidenced by the player disconnect protocol.

Your not understanding what I am saying.

The opponent is suffering because they have to sit & endure a person playing out a won position unnecessarily.
Some people don’t like to endure such things.
Some people are conceding because they view the actions as a person showing off/trying to style on them.

The OP proposal is to allow people who are doing this to continue doing this and get rewarded for it!

LET ME MAKE 1 THING CLEAR!
I don’t know anything about the OP.
I don’t know if he shows off on people.
I don’t know if he tries to play stuff out unnecessarily like a mean person would.
My argument has nothing to do with the OP.

My argument has to do with the aftermath of the OP proposal.
The OP proposal is going to give those people who are mean an incentive to continue being mean.

Their are people in Pokémon that love to show off & brag.
They have poor sportsmanship.
When a person shows off in a battle, the opponent can concede the battle ending the battle.
This is sort of a counter to those people bad behavior.
If person doesn’t want to be conceded on, they have to learn to be kinder person in the battle.

The people who usually get “annoyed” are the ones being the villain.

Let me give you an example:
Let’s pretend I am the villain in this scenario.

It’s my final turn.
All I have to do is attack to win the game.
How I’m not satisfied with just ending the game with 1 measly 100 Damage Attack.
I want to show off!
I want to show how great of a Pokémon player I am by doing a long sequence of moves that will result in my final hit being a 400 Damage Attack.

Now do you think that is right?
Most people would say no that is wrong.

In the current concede system we have, My opponents could deny my moves.
They could concede while I’m doing a the long sequence of moves.
The game would be over & I wouldn’t be able to do my 400 Damage Attack.
However, I shouldn’t have been doing it in first place because it is wrong!

In the OP concede system, I will be able to keep going.
My opponent conceded the battle mid-way through my sequence of moves.
It doesn’t matter because my turn isn’t over yet under the OP concede system.
I’m going to get the evil satsfication of smashing my opponent Pokémon for 400 Damage.
Wooooo Hooooooo
I smashed that Pokémon for 400 Damage
Who’s the best baby?
Say it! Say it!

Did you just not reinforce the above bad behavior?
I personally feel the above situation shouldn’t happen!
If the villain gets annoyed by your resignation, I say good!
Maybe, He will get annoyed enough to change his evil show boating ways!

Edited by Player_Jay, Yesterday, 11:25 PM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Today, 12:47 AM

#25

SandaledOtter

    Elite Trainer

  • SandaledOtter

Your not understanding what I am saying.

The opponent is suffering because they have to sit & endure a person playing out a won position unnecessarily.
Some people don’t like to endure such things.
Some people are conceding because they view the actions as a person showing off/trying to style on them.

The OP proposal is to allow people who are doing this to continue doing this and get rewarded for it!

LET ME MAKE 1 THING CLEAR!
I don’t know anything about the OP.
I don’t know if he shows off on people.
I don’t know if he tries to play stuff out unnecessarily like a mean person would.
My argument has nothing to do with the OP.

My argument has to do with the aftermath of the OP proposal.
The OP proposal is going to give those people who are mean an incentive to continue being mean.

Their are people in Pokémon that love to show off & brag.
They have poor sportsmanship.
When a person shows off in a battle, the opponent can concede the battle ending the battle.
This is sort of a counter to those people bad behavior.
If person doesn’t want to be conceded on, they have to learn to be kinder person in the battle.

The people who usually get “annoyed” are the ones being the villain.

Let me give you an example:
Let’s pretend I am the villain in this scenario.

It’s my final turn.
All I have to do is attack to win the game.
How I’m not satisfied with just ending the game with 1 measly 100 Damage Attack.
I want to show off!
I want to show how great of a Pokémon player I am by doing a long sequence of moves that will result in my final hit being a 400 Damage Attack.

Now do you think that is right?
Most people would say no that is wrong.

In the current concede system we have, My opponents could deny my moves.
They could concede while I’m doing a the long sequence of moves.
The game would be over & I wouldn’t be able to do my 400 Damage Attack.
However, I shouldn’t have been doing it in first place because it is wrong!

In the OP concede system, I will be able to keep going.
My opponent conceded the battle mid-way through my sequence of moves.
It doesn’t matter because my turn isn’t over yet under the OP concede system.
I’m going to get the evil satsfication of smashing my opponent Pokémon for 400 Damage.
Wooooo Hooooooo
I smashed that Pokémon for 400 Damage
Who’s the best baby?
Say it! Say it!

Did you just not reinforce the above bad behavior?
I personally feel the above situation shouldn’t happen!
If the villain gets annoyed by your resignation, I say good!
Maybe, He will get annoyed enough to change his evil show boating ways!

I have had people concede games to me when I'm trying to complete a challenge. It has never been because I'm showing off. If I'm trying to do extra damage, it's because I think I need to do that damage to finish a challenge.

 

Gloating isn't really possible in the game, beyond telling someone who is losing badly that they have a good deck, or something along those lines. If you leave, you're done with them.


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Today, 04:53 AM

#26

BowserLuigi

    Elite Trainer

  • BowserLuigi
^ That's why there's the idea of letting the player finish his turn while the conceding opponent leaves the match as soon as they hit concede. Just let the AI take over for some oddball situations lile Cedric Juniper. No one's saying that holding the conceding opponent hostage until the turn ends is a good idea.

The real problem is the coding.
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