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Vileplume deck ideas?


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10 July 2018 - 04:08 PM

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ElricDragonlord

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  • ElricDragonlord

Vileplume (BUS) has a genuine good ability against a GX-EX clogged meta. For sure there are a lot of great evolutions, and maybe the set-up isn't that easy for a phase-2-evo, but could be rewarding.

 

3 Oddish

3 Gloom

3 Vileplume (BUS)

 

This could be the base, but what finishers could be: Sylveon-GX (not great damage output, but good ability and easy to evolve); Golisopod-GX (still not able to ko in one shot every EX-GX, but has a good sinergy with his GX attack, and profit well from a deck which rely auspicably on Guzman/Escape Rope); Pheromosa-GX (doesn't need evolutions, has nice attacks, even if not overpowered); Lurantis-GX (really good GX attack, good normal attacks).

 

Probably in a deck built around Vileplume could make good use of:

4 Guzman

2 Escape Rope (not as good as Guzman, maybe not needed, but nevertheless a good tool)

4 Float Stone

2 Wally

3-4 Evosoda

 

Have you already built a deck like this? Would you spare some ideas??

 


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12 July 2018 - 05:03 AM

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Player_Jay

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I spent 2 hours trying to think of a deck design for Vileplume.
I think the deck design was a challenging struggle.
I feel the deck list I came up with is the best I could do.

The problem is the (BUS) Vileplume isn’t that good.
The (BUS) Vileplume has an ability called Disgusting Pollen.
Disgusting Pollen says the following statement:
“As Long as this Pokémon is your active Pokémon, your opponent Basic Pokemon can’t Attack.”

What really kills Vileplume is the following line “As Long as this Pokémon is your active Pokémon...”
Vileplume would of been miles better if it could do that Basic Lock from the Bench.
The fact it says it has to be active means you have to attack it with!

Vileplume’s Attack is really bad.
-3 Energy Charge Attack
-60 Damage Attack
Man, it is horrible!

Would you rather:
Spend 3 Energy to do 60 Damage
Or
Spend 3 Energy to do 160 Damage
There are Pokémon that can do 160 Damage for 3 energy.

The worst part is the problems are not over!
There is even more problems.
The other problem we face is only half of the top tier decks are Basic!

Buzzwole & Ultra Necro. are Basic Pokémon meta decks.
Zoroark & Greninja are Evolution Pokémon meta decks.

Vileplume - Basic Lock will only be useful half the time!
The rest of the time Vileplume ability is useless.

The next problem is Vileplume is a stage 2!
We are going out of our way to make a stage 2 Pokémon that can potentially be useless.
It takes time + resources to make a stage 2.

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, VILEPLUME HAS OBSTACLES!

The Vileplume deck list has to over come these set backs.
It took me 2 hours to think of a way to do it.
I still couldn’t over came them all.
I did best I could.

The deck list I came up with is the following:

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 18

* 4 Eevee SUM 101
* 1 Oranguru SUM 113
* 4 Oddish BUS 4
* 4 Gloom BUS 5
* 2 Leafeon-GX UPR 13
* 2 Vileplume BUS 6
* 1 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60

##Trainer Cards - 30

* 3 Float Stone BKT 137
* 2 Sea of Nothingness CIN 99
* 2 Brigette BKT 161
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 2 Guzma BUS 115
* 3 N DEX 96
* 2 Professor Sycamore BKP 107
* 2 Evosoda XY 116
* 1 Pal Pad UPR 132
* 1 Super Rod BKT 149
* 4 Ultra Ball SUM 135
* 1 Gladion CIN 95
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121

##Energy - 12

* 8 Grass Energy 1
* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******

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Let’s talk about the deck plan/strategy.
The plan is to win the coin toss!
Try to think hard about the coin toss!
Focus!

We want the deck to go Second!
It is part of our strategy!
The person who goes second can attack!

I have added max(4) Eevee to the deck.
We want this Pokémon as our starter!
Let me give you what I think is the perfect 2nd turn/dream scenario!

We start with Eevee.
We put 1 grass on Eevee.
Eevee ability lets it evolve into Leafeon GX.

We put Oranguru on our bench has draw support Pokémon.
We put Tapu Lele on our bench to search a Support card.
We search out Brigette.
I added 2x Brigette incase 1 gets prized.

We use Brigette to put 3x Oddish.
I added a 4th Oddish incase 1 is prized.
We really want to get all 3 on field. ASAP

Visualize your 2nd turn field!

Attacker Pokémon:
- Leafeon GX with 1 Grass Energy

5 Bench Pokémon:
- Oranguru
- Tapu Lele
- 3x Oddish

We are than going to use Leafeon’s GX Attack - Grand Bloom
All 3x Oddish will evolve into 3x Gloom

I added a 4th Gloom incase 1 is prized.
We really want them to evolve.

I FEEL THE ABOVE TURN 2 PLAY IS SOLID.

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TURN 4 IS THE CRITICAL TURN FOR OPERATION BASIC POKÉMON LOCK - GO OR NO GO

Your opponents will do something on turn 3.
We don’t know what exactly.
All we can do is guess that they will attack and/or evolve a Pokémon.

We need to know what kind of deck our opponent is using by turn 4!
- Basic Pokémon Deck
- Evolution Pokemon Deck

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Let’s say they are playing a Basic Pokémon deck.

OPERATION VILEPLUME - BASIC LOCK IS A GO!
VISUALIZE OUR TURN 2 BOARD SET UP AGAIN!

We have 3x Gloom.
We can try to evolve 1 of them
I added 2x Evosoda + 4x Ultra Ball + 2x Vileplume so we can make it happen.
This will help us get 1 Vileplume up.

The next issue is we need the Vileplume in active spot!
Our Vileplume isn’t in the active spot.
It is on the bench.
Leafeon GX is in the active spot.

We need a way to move Leafeon GX or move Vileplume.
I added 3x Float Stones + 2x Guzma + 1x Pal Pad(To shuffle any Guzma back into deck)
These are the cards we can use to put Vileplume in active spot.

Vileplume takes 3 energy to charge.
It is very slow, but our opponent is using a Basic Pokémon!
They can’t attack us!
We have all the time in the world to charge!

They can’t kill us the normal way because we lock there Basic Pokémon.
They are going to have to come up with an Alternative/Awkward way of Fighting us.
The Alternative/Awkward way gives us time to charge!

This is what we are banking on with Vileplume.
Vileplume unique ability that makes it special.
We are using this to our advantage.

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Let’s say they are playing Evolution Pokémon Deck.

OPERATION VILEPLUME - BASIC LOCK IS NO GO!
VISUALIZE THE TURN 2 BOARD SET UP

We have Leafeon GX in active.
We have 3x Gloom on bench.

My recommendation is to not make Vileplume against Evolution Decks.
I think the best thing to do is cut your losses with Vileplume.
I only added 2x Evosoda + 2x Vileplume.
It doesn’t take up a lot of space.
You can use them as discard.fodder VS. Evolution Decks.

Vileplume ability is useless against Evolution Decks.
Vileplume attack will take to long to charge as well.
I tried really hard to think of a way to use Vileplume vs. Evo. Decks.
I couldn’t come up with single way.

Instead, I think the best thing to do is to rely on Leafeon GX + Gloom.
Leafeon GX can do 110 Damage Attack.
I added 4x Double Colorless + 3x Choice Band to help it.
It can charge up fast with 1 Grass + 1 DC.
It can 2 shot every Pokémon.

Gloom has 1 energy attack that lets you confuse the opponent.
50 - 50 chance of the opponent Pokémon hitting itself.
You can use Gloom as a sneaky condition Pokémon.
You slip in with Gloom.
You confuse them.
You slip out and let Leafeon GX handle the rest.

I added 2x Stadium Sea of Nothingness!
The Sea of Nothingness forces your opponent to keep status conditions even if they evolve!
They might try to evolve to get rid of the confusion!
Sea of Nothingness says no way!

It isn’t the greatest plan in the world, but it is the best I could come up with.
Gloom + Sea can put some pressure on the opponent.
Just imagine your Pokémon Confused + Leafeon GX hitting you.
It can be annoying to deal with.

And that is all I have.
Hopefully, the deck list I showed can give you some idea’s.
At the very least, It can give you something to try for fun.

Edited by Player_Jay, 12 July 2018 - 05:10 AM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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12 July 2018 - 02:37 PM

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ElricDragonlord

    Novice Trainer

  • ElricDragonlord

I don't even know what to say... You're amazing, your list is awesome, anche your in-depth analysis of the plan is absurdly clear!!! Thank you very much, it surely is a good deck, and I couldn't wait to play it <3


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13 July 2018 - 12:48 AM

#4

Player_Jay

    Veteran Trainer

  • Player_Jay

I don't even know what to say... You're amazing, your list is awesome, anche your in-depth analysis of the plan is absurdly clear!!! Thank you very much, it surely is a good deck, and I couldn't wait to play it <3

Your Welcome!

However, You might be Thanking me to soon! Lol
Can you imagine the backlash if the Vileplume Basic Lock is successful?
You might end up with a lot of players wanting to tar & feather you. Lol

My side recommendation is to carry a big stick with you.
Incase, you face some hostile Pokémon players.

Edited by Player_Jay, 13 July 2018 - 01:06 AM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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