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08 July 2018 - 04:54 PM

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Pokegen85

    Junior Trainer

  • Pokegen85

Hi everyone, I hope you all are having an amazing weekend!

 

I've run into a bit of a pickle and need some advice. I want to Sycamore, but I currently run a deck that relies heavily on rare candies. My problem is that if rare candies get discarded by Sycamore, I cannot use them. I know there are ways to recover supporters, like Pal Pad and VS Seeker, and ways to recover Pokemon Tools such as Eco Arm.

 

Are there ways to recover item cards that are neither Pokemon tool nor supporter cards?


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08 July 2018 - 05:22 PM

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gunmetal

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  • gunmetal
Puzzle of time or ultra prisms oranguru and it's attack resource management are some of the two best options that can be tossed into any deck
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08 July 2018 - 05:40 PM

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Pokegen85

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  • Pokegen85

Thanks for the reply. I'll look into those right away.


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08 July 2018 - 06:43 PM

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SuperStone

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  • SuperStone

What's your deck?  Some lists can do fine without Sick Love, via Octillery, Zoroark-GX, or just get by with Cynthia and Nny-boy.


The rest of the world must act as they see fit.  If TPCi insists on keeping the Chat canned, that is their decision.

 

But that does not stop me from opposing it.

And I will oppose it forever.

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08 July 2018 - 07:25 PM

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Pokegen85

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  • Pokegen85
Only decks that run cards like Tapu Lele-GX and Computer Search can get away with being purely Cynthia and N. Unless you are going the Mach Strike Luca/Gar route. My deck is in the Dan’s Steely Knives thread, but the reason I made this thread is because the question I had was about general card strategy and not necessarily specific to any deck, though I plan on applying the strategy to my current deck. Item card recovery has been a problem for me ever since I started Pokémon TCGO. It’s bad enough that Sycamore throws everything away for sake of speed, but when I come across players that throw Mars at me the situation just compounds. :(
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09 July 2018 - 04:48 PM

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SuperStone

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  • SuperStone

I don't know any good options besides what Gunmetal mentioned.  Lysandre's Trump Card would do the job, of course, but it's banned.


The rest of the world must act as they see fit.  If TPCi insists on keeping the Chat canned, that is their decision.

 

But that does not stop me from opposing it.

And I will oppose it forever.

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09 July 2018 - 06:10 PM

#7

Felidae_

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  • Felidae_

You can toss any other idea than Puzzle of Time for being to clunky, take up valuable space in your deck or by wasting an attack / an energy attachment.

 

However the answer to your question isn't found in discard pile recursion, but rather at the step beforehand. Sycamore / Juniper have been the go to supporter alongside N for years, yet the printing of Cynthia has given us more options (that anyone familiar with Legacy is well aware of).

If your deck relies heavily on Rare Candy that the optimal decision is to cut down on Sycamore and add more Cynthia (i.e. 4-3-2 line of N, Cyn and Syc). Throwing out Sycamore completely is ill advised, as the raw draw power, as well as the ability to discard cards you don't need any more / need to be in your discard pile is crucial for pretty much every deck.

However, we all know that sometimes the worst scenario happens and we are stuck with an awful hand, that forces us to discard our resources with Sync, if we want to come back into the game.

 

Well, are we ?

 

Lets imagine we got our basic cards on the field and our hand is cluttered with Sycamore, Energy, some utility (no UB though) and Energy cards. In this scenario we have two options: We either play Sycamore, discard our resources and hope to draw into something better, or we skip the supporter for the turn.

While the later option seems like a bad idea, let's look at it a bit more. Given that we already have our Basic Pokemon in play (maybe even two of them), we need to hit either the stage 2, an UB, Tapu Lele or one of your non-discard supporters. Depending on the deck you play those can easily take up ~ 15 cards in your deck not counting any deck specific search engine you are running.

Skipping Sycamore on the first turn is obviously quite the loss of tempo and if I only had to discard 1 out of 4 Rare candies I'd probably always take the Sycamore, but then again it all comes down to the situation in game, because you can come up with infinite scenarios and the outcome will vary slightly every time.

 

Here comes the interesting part though: so far we looked at the whole situation in a vacuum, assuming our opponent is the goldfish. However, now imagine being in your opponents shoes. Your basic Pokemon give an obvious hint towards the deck you are playing. It's also obvious that you need a Rare Candy and that you didn't play a supporter. This could either hint at a blank hand, or hint at you holding stage 2 and Candy, to play on the following turn. Which leaves us with the question: does our opponent want to N us ?

 

Dunno if I answered your question ( I kinda forgot about it mid way), but I hope you enjoyed this short interlude never the less :).


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