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trading up a bit - budget deck idea, 2/3


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01 July 2018 - 12:45 PM

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Matan1

    Novice Trainer

  • Matan1
ok. we played an affordable control deck. it was frustrating, but we’ve levelled up. we want to do better. let’s discuss combo cards and consider some offbeat rares.

we’ve already established that alolan ninetales helps us significantly, but is not enough to win for the most part. most decks have at least one or two ways to hit back.

so what are we going to build next? let’s try basing our deck around a combo and some offbeat rares.

a combo is a set of 2 or 3 cards that when somehow played together, have a strongly amplified or synergistic effect.

let’s consider these two:

Lucario: https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/sm-series/sm5/67/
Garchomp: https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/sm-series/sm5/99/

okay well game designers made this combo really, really obvious. let’s think of something less obvious. let’s aim for a challenge - let’s find a combo with alolan ninetales.

Alolan Sandslash: https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/sm-series/sm2/20/

okay, we see the synergy here:

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that’s a bit underwhelming though. let’s try something better:

Volcanion prism star: https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/sm-series/sm6/31/

that’s more interesting.

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still a bit partial. perhaps if we had a starmie in, we could do this repeatedly:

starmie: https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/xy-series/xy12/31/

but still, not as powerful. there probably isn’t a game-changing combo with alolan ninetales because of the staticness of its effect. it doesn’t have the attack of its predecessor, alolan vulpix. that ability is actually a game changer (getting 2 pokemon of your choice every turn?! sign me up!), but alas, alolan vulpix is really ill suited to hold the active spot.

stymied.

we’ll have to invent a card like this:

Shining celebi: https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/sm-series/smp/SM79/

wait. that’s a real card. we don't have to go inventing it.
and to top it off, alolan vulpix can pull the combo by itself using beacon. cool. this will help us set the bench exactly like we want it. wonderful.

okay, now what do we build around this? let’s take on a more venerable deck design, primarina-gx.

primarina-gx: https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/pokemon-cards/sm-series/smp/SM39/

this is a powerful card indeed. and yet it doesn’t see a lot of tournament play so it goes quite cheap for trading. why?
because its setup time is very slow. it takes a lot of time to land it into play (stage 2) and to gather enough energy for primarina to punch. with little gameplay, this was a trading opportunity.

slow setup time? it’s time that alolan ninetales will buy us, all while it grabs the pokemon to make the combo happen. this design is called an aggro-control deck. it starts out as a control/delay and switches to an aggro playstyle when ready.

maybe we have something good and cheap on our hands.

our gameplan looks like this:

1. land a combo down (alolan ninetales + shining celebi)
2. setup the bench like we want it. (we would have loved an octillery here but they are very expensive)
3. switch to aggro once we have the energy

this build isn’t that well tuned either (in particular, starmie didn’t prove itself) but it was fun to play and too ‘expensive’ to acquire as primarina-GX is an ‘offbeat’ rare. we can even get our basic and stage 1 and backup non-GX primarina from ‘bright tide’ theme deck, woohoo!

my current stats with this deck is 6 wins out of 10 games.
it costs about 5-6 FLI tradeable packs to 'buy' aside from staples:

3 Primarina for ~2-3 FLI
2 Celebi for 2 FLI
1 Volcanion {*} for 1 FLI.

all in all less than a single top-tier GX card...

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 20

* 2 Shining Celebi PR-SM SM79
* 3 Alolan Vulpix GRI 21
* 4 Popplio SUM 39
* 1 Staryu BKP 25
* 1 Volcanion {*} FLI 31
* 2 Alolan Ninetales BUS 28
* 2 Brionne SUM 40
* 1 Starmie BKT 30
* 1 Primarina SUM 41
* 3 Primarina-GX PR-SM SM39

##Trainer Cards - 28

* 4 Aqua Patch GRI 119
* 2 Brooklet Hill GRI 120
* 1 Energy Loto GRI 122
* 1 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130
* 3 N DEX 96
* 2 Wishful Baton BUS 128
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 2 Float Stone BKT 137
* 2 Guzma BUS 115
* 3 Max Elixir BKP 102
* 1 Choice Band GRI 121
* 3 Rare Candy PRC 135

##Energy - 12

* 10 Water Energy Energy 3
* 2 Splash Energy BKP 113

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******
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01 July 2018 - 03:43 PM

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Felidae_

    Elite Trainer

  • Felidae_

We ask ourself how you get much value out of Aqua Patch without UB / Sycamore (or any other way to get Energy cards in the discard pile, bare Volcanion, retreating and having your active Pokemon get killed).

 

We also ask ourself why you opt to exclude DCE, even though your two main attackers benefit from the card.

 

We believe that Hill -> Volcanion -> Ability -> Patch -> Hit is quite nice and a good way to introduce beginners to the idea of interactions between different cards (the termn "Combo" might not be suitable in our opinion, but lets not discuss semantics). However, we also think that  your oversight on cards like Field Blower (leaving you with 2 Guzma to deal with Garb), as well as additional ways to discard cards ( in case Volcanion is prized, or you simply don't find him / Hill) would benefit this deck greatly.

While you can obviously go for the slow route and go Vulpix -> Volcanion, Aqua Patch is still likely to sit as an idle duck for the majority of the first two turns, which is kinda awkward.

 

We could go on, but we don't have time at the moment. Nice read never the less, we are eager to see the next development of this deck.


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01 July 2018 - 03:56 PM

#3

Matan1

    Novice Trainer

  • Matan1

We ask ourself how you get much value out of Aqua Patch without UB / Sycamore (or any other way to get Energy cards in the discard pile, bare Volcanion, retreating and having your active Pokemon get killed).


good question. aqua patch is yet another method to restore energy lost to retreats and to knocked out pokemon.
having said that, unless the volcanion is prized, it is very likely to hit the bench with the combo.

We also ask ourself why you opt to exclude DCE, even though your two main attackers benefit from the card.


because it doesn't boost primarina. the extra turn in enabling aurora beam is less decisive than reaching OHKO capability for primarina.

We believe that Hill -> Volcanion -> Ability -> Patch -> Hit is quite nice and a good way to introduce beginners to the idea of interactions between different cards (the termn "Combo" might not be suitable in our opinion, but lets not discuss semantics). However, we also think that  your oversight on cards like Field Blower (leaving you with 2 Guzma to deal with Garb), as well as additional ways to discard cards ( in case Volcanion is prized, or you simply don't find him / Hill) would benefit this deck greatly.
While you can obviously go for the slow route and go Vulpix -> Volcanion, Aqua Patch is still likely to sit as an idle duck for the majority of the first two turns, which is kinda awkward.


Yeah, I'm not so happy with aqua patch in this deck to be fair. Perhaps it should go out for field blower.
I'm afraid it will be too controllish this way.
in an ideal build the starmie would go in favor of remoraid/octillery.
usually my first beacon is for a ninetales and a celebi, next one is volcanion and popplio.

We could go on, but we don't have time at the moment. Nice read never the less, we are eager to see the next development of this deck.


please do, your criticism is good. awaiting further feedback.
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