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01 July 2018 - 05:35 AM

#1

OU7C4ST

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Where should we base other Pack Values when placing GRI at 1.0? (Do not convert this in another way)

You may use the following to copy & paste, and place your price afterwards:
 

Forbidden Light

Ultra Prism

Crimson Invasion

​Shining Legends

Burning Shadows

​Guardians Rising

Sun & Moon

Evolutions

Steam Siege

Fates Collide​

Generations

BREAKPoint

BREAKThrough

Ancient Origins

Roaring Skies

Double Crisis (7 card pack)

Primal Clash

Phantom Forces

Furious Fists

FlashFire

XY Base

Legendary Treasures

Plasma Blast

Plasma Freeze

Plasma Storm

Boundaries Crossed

Dragons Exalted

Dark Explorers

Next Destinies

Noble Victories

Emerging Powers

Dragon Vault (5 card pack)

BW Base

Call of Legends

HS-Triumphant

HS-Undaunted

HS-Unleashed

HGSS Base Set

Uncommon Chest

Charizard Box

Pikachu Box


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01 July 2018 - 06:36 AM

#2

LordKieta

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I'm not going to comment on the general backlash you get as someone who does a service to this community. It comes with the position. You're gonna be put down for your decisions no matter what. 

However, I will offer my personal pack values/ratios that relate to Guardians Rising being 1 value. If you share the opinions of other professional traders, then you can come to a consistent final price for everything that hopefully will be better suited for some of your more rational critics

 

Forbidden Light 0.66

Ultra Prism 0.5

Crimson Invasion 0.33

​Shining Legends 0.75

Burning Shadows 0.5

​Guardians Rising 1 

Sun & Moon 0.5

Evolutions 0.2-0.25

Steam Siege 0.33

Fates Collide​ 0.33 

Generations 0.75

BREAKPoint 0.33-0.4

BREAKThrough 0.33

Ancient Origins 0.33

Roaring Skies 0.5

Double Crisis (7 card pack) 1.5

Primal Clash 0.33

Phantom Forces 0.33

Furious Fists 0.33

FlashFire 0.33

XY Base 0.33

Legendary Treasures 0.75

Plasma Blast 0.85

Plasma Freeze 1.25

Plasma Storm 0.75

Boundaries Crossed 0.75

Dragons Exalted 0.75

Dark Explorers 0.75

Next Destinies 0.5

Noble Victories 0.9

Emerging Powers 0.2 (Honestly a worse pack than Evolutions in my well researched opinion)

Dragon Vault (5 card pack) 2

BW Base 0.5
Uncommon Chest 0.2-0.25

Charizard Box 2.5
Pikachu Box 0.1

 

I don't have prices for HGSS era packs. I famously don't use them, and never have/will

Call of Legends

HS-Triumphant

HS-Undaunted

HS-Unleashed

HGSS Base Set


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01 July 2018 - 08:23 AM

#3

OU7C4ST

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I'm not going to comment on the general backlash you get as someone who does a service to this community. It comes with the position. You're gonna be put down for your decisions no matter what. 

However, I will offer my personal pack values/ratios that relate to Guardians Rising being 1 value. If you share the opinions of other professional traders, then you can come to a consistent final price for everything that hopefully will be better suited for some of your more rational critics

 

Forbidden Light 0.66

Ultra Prism 0.5

Crimson Invasion 0.33

​Shining Legends 0.75

Burning Shadows 0.5

​Guardians Rising 1 

Sun & Moon 0.5

Evolutions 0.2-0.25

Steam Siege 0.33

Fates Collide​ 0.33 

Generations 0.75

BREAKPoint 0.33-0.4

BREAKThrough 0.33

Ancient Origins 0.33

Roaring Skies 0.5

Double Crisis (7 card pack) 1.5

Primal Clash 0.33

Phantom Forces 0.33

Furious Fists 0.33

FlashFire 0.33

XY Base 0.33

Legendary Treasures 0.75

Plasma Blast 0.85

Plasma Freeze 1.25

Plasma Storm 0.75

Boundaries Crossed 0.75

Dragons Exalted 0.75

Dark Explorers 0.75

Next Destinies 0.5

Noble Victories 0.9

Emerging Powers 0.2 (Honestly a worse pack than Evolutions in my well researched opinion)

Dragon Vault (5 card pack) 2

BW Base 0.5
Uncommon Chest 0.2-0.25

Charizard Box 2.5
Pikachu Box 0.1

 

I don't have prices for HGSS era packs. I famously don't use them, and never have/will

Call of Legends

HS-Triumphant

HS-Undaunted

HS-Unleashed

HGSS Base Set

Thanks for your time LordKieta.

I agree with the general list of prices you have posted, I just would like to ask a couple things I'm puzzled on.

Don't you think with Buzzwole GX so hype, and a few other cards from CRI, that it may be a little higher than .33?

Also, I'm not getting why LTR is 0.75? Seems a bit high for a glorified "Best of" set of B/W.

I'm sure you have your well thought out reasoning behind these 2, and I would just like to hear it if I could please.


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01 July 2018 - 01:42 PM

#4

micromaster

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Forbidden Light - 0.6

Ultra Prism - 0.5

Crimson Invasion - 0.5

​Shining Legends - 0.66-0.7

Burning Shadows - 0.5

​Guardians Rising - 1

Sun & Moon - 0.4-0.5

Evolutions - 0.2-0.25

Steam Siege - 0.3

Fates Collide​ - 0.3

Generations - no clue

BREAKPoint - 0.33

BREAKThrough - 0.33

Ancient Origins - 0.33

Roaring Skies - 0.33-0.4

Double Crisis (7 card pack) - 1.5

Primal Clash - 0.33

Phantom Forces - 0.33

Furious Fists - 0.33

FlashFire - 0.33

XY Base - 0.33

Legendary Treasures - 0.7

Plasma Blast - 0.9? 0.8? idk really

Plasma Freeze - 1.25

Plasma Storm - 0.66? 0.75? idk either

Boundaries Crossed - 0.75

Dragons Exalted - 0.75

Dark Explorers - somewhere between 0.75 and 1 no clue where

Next Destinies - 0.66

Noble Victories - between 0.75 and 1 no clue where

Emerging Powers - 0.25

Dragon Vault (5 card pack) - 3? 2? no clue

BW Base - 0.5

Uncommon Chest - 0.2-0.25

Charizard Box - does literally anyone know the price for these

Pikachu Box - 0.1

 

same with LordKieta I'm not even going to bother with legacy pack prices I've got absolutely no clue


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02 July 2018 - 12:01 AM

#5

Player_Jay

    Trainer

  • Player_Jay
Forbidden Light - 0.7
Ultra Prism - 0.6
Crimson Invasion - 0.6
Shining Legend - No Clue
Burning Shadows - 0.7
​Guardians Rising - 1
Sun & Moon - 0.5
Evolutions - 0.3
Steam Siege - 0.3
Fates Collide​ - 0.3
Generations - 0.3
BREAKPoint - 0.4
BREAKThrough - 0.4
Ancient Origins - 0.3
Roaring Skies - 0.3
Double Crisis (7 card pack) - No Clue
Primal Clash - 0.3
Phantom Forces - 0.3
Furious Fists - 0.3
FlashFire - 0.3
XY Base - 0.3

I didn’t pay any attention to the other packs.
I didn’t see any in Public Trade.

Edited by Player_Jay, 06 July 2018 - 11:01 AM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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02 July 2018 - 04:37 AM

#6

azztechdude101

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  • azztechdude101

As i do not have sufficient data to compare for the older packs these are my personal evaluations for the following.

 

Forbidden Light - 0.7

Ultra Prism - 0.6

Crimson Invasion - 0.6

​Shining Legends - 0.75

Burning Shadows - 0.5

​Guardians Rising - 1

Sun & Moon - 0.5

Evolutions - 0.3

Steam Siege - 0.33

Fates Collide​ - 0.33

Generations - 0.75

BREAKPoint - 0.33

BREAKThrough - 0.33

Ancient Origins - 0.33

Roaring Skies - 0.33

Double Crisis (7 card pack) - 1.3

Primal Clash - 0.33

Phantom Forces - 0.33

Furious Fists - 0.33

FlashFire - 0.33

XY Base - 0.33


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02 July 2018 - 07:36 PM

#7

Loof6

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  • Loof6

Forbidden Light 0.8

Ultra Prism 0.6

Crimson Invasion 0.6

​Shining Legends 0.9

Burning Shadows 0.75

​Guardians Rising 1

Sun & Moon 0.5

Evolutions 0.2

Steam Siege 0.4

Fates Collide​ 0.25

Generations 0.6

BREAKPoint 0.4

BREAKThrough 0.4

Ancient Origins 0.25

Roaring Skies 0.4

Double Crisis (7 card pack) 0.5

Primal Clash 0.33

Phantom Forces 0.33

Furious Fists 0.25

FlashFire 0.25

XY Base 0.33

Legendary Treasures 0.75

Plasma Blast 1.5

Plasma Freeze 2.75

Plasma Storm 1.7

Boundaries Crossed 1.5

Dragons Exalted 1.75

Dark Explorers 2.25

Next Destinies 1.75

Noble Victories 2

Emerging Powers 1

Dragon Vault (5 card pack) 2

BW Base 1.75

Call of Legends 2.75

HS-Triumphant 3.75

HS-Undaunted 1.75

HS-Unleashed 2

HGSS Base Set 1.75

Uncommon Chest 0.1

Charizard Box 0.15

Pikachu Box 0.15

 

I rate the old BW and HGSS era packs slightly higher than other people, because there is currently no free to play option to get tradeable ones. Therefore, the tradeable packs are rarer and harder to get.


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02 July 2018 - 10:45 PM

#8

micromaster

    Rookie Trainer

  • micromaster

 

Forbidden Light 0.8

Ultra Prism 0.6

Crimson Invasion 0.6

​Shining Legends 0.9

Burning Shadows 0.75

​Guardians Rising 1

Sun & Moon 0.5

Evolutions 0.2

Steam Siege 0.4

Fates Collide​ 0.25

Generations 0.6

BREAKPoint 0.4

BREAKThrough 0.4

Ancient Origins 0.25

Roaring Skies 0.4

Double Crisis (7 card pack) 0.5

Primal Clash 0.33

Phantom Forces 0.33

Furious Fists 0.25

FlashFire 0.25

XY Base 0.33

Legendary Treasures 0.75

Plasma Blast 1.5

Plasma Freeze 2.75

Plasma Storm 1.7

Boundaries Crossed 1.5

Dragons Exalted 1.75

Dark Explorers 2.25

Next Destinies 1.75

Noble Victories 2

Emerging Powers 1

Dragon Vault (5 card pack) 2

BW Base 1.75

Call of Legends 2.75

HS-Triumphant 3.75

HS-Undaunted 1.75

HS-Unleashed 2

HGSS Base Set 1.75

Uncommon Chest 0.1

Charizard Box 0.15

Pikachu Box 0.15

 

I rate the old BW and HGSS era packs slightly higher than other people, because there is currently no free to play option to get tradeable ones. Therefore, the tradeable packs are rarer and harder to get.

 

I'd like to sell you all my BW era and HGSS era pack in exchange for double crisis and charizard boxes please


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02 July 2018 - 11:10 PM

#9

OU7C4ST

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  • OU7C4ST

I'd like to sell you all my BW era and HGSS era pack in exchange for double crisis and charizard boxes please

No fair, this is my post. I get dibs on those sweet sweet 0.15 charizard avatar boxes first.


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02 July 2018 - 11:27 PM

#10

TinaPromo

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Forbidden Light - 0.66

Ultra Prism - 0.66

Crimson Invasion - 0.66

​Shining Legends - 0.75

Burning Shadows - 0.66

​Guardians Rising - 1

Sun & Moon - 0.5

Evolutions - 0.25

Steam Siege - 0.33

Fates Collide - 0.33​

Generations - 0.5 (rough estimate, not sure honestly)

BREAKPoint - 0.4

BREAKThrough - 0.4

Ancient Origins - 0.33

Roaring Skies - 0.5

Double Crisis (7 card pack) 0.75-1, not sure

Primal Clash - 0.33

Phantom Forces - 0.33

Furious Fists - 0.33

FlashFire - 0.33 

XY Base - 0.33

Legendary Treasures - 0.75

Plasma Blast - 0.75-1

Plasma Freeze - 1.5

Plasma Storm - 0.75-1

Boundaries Crossed - 0.75-1

Dragons Exalted - 0.75-1

Dark Explorers - 1

Next Destinies - 0.75

Noble Victories - 1

Emerging Powers - 0.2

Dragon Vault (5 card pack) - 2.5

BW Base - 0.33

Call of Legends - 2.5-3

HS-Triumphant - 3

HS-Undaunted - 1.5-2.5

HS-Unleashed - 1.5-2

HGSS Base Set - 2-3

Uncommon Chest - 0.25

Charizard Box - 2.5-3

Pikachu Box - 0.11

 

 

The ones with ranges (like all of the hgss packs) I'm not sure on, rest I'd say are somewhat close 


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03 July 2018 - 12:31 PM

#11

LordKieta

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  • LordKieta

Thanks for your time LordKieta.

I agree with the general list of prices you have posted, I just would like to ask a couple things I'm puzzled on.

Don't you think with Buzzwole GX so hype, and a few other cards from CRI, that it may be a little higher than .33?

Also, I'm not getting why LTR is 0.75? Seems a bit high for a glorified "Best of" set of B/W.

I'm sure you have your well thought out reasoning behind these 2, and I would just like to hear it if I could please.

That's my bad. I was quoting the un-updated pack list from my archives. 

CRI is 0.5 for me. Buzzwole is the whole pack. The whole set is trash, and the more valuable cards like SR Counter Catcher and SR Water Energy don't put the pack into any notable spotlights. 

Buzzwole being available as a promo also severly impacts the usefulness of CRI packs. If Tapu Lele had a code, even as expensive as the Buzzwole code is, then GRI wouldn't be anywhere as valuable as it is today. 

As for LTR, the fact that there isn't anything valuable in that set, is irrelevant. It's a really popular set amongst newer or younger players. First reason, is that it's a BlackWhite era set, but beyond that, it's an exciting set to open. I happen to find LTR is really easy to trade out at 0.75 value, or even an exaggerated 1 value, because of the large population of younger or newer players who just want to open these packs. 

 


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03 July 2018 - 03:58 PM

#12

SuperStone

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  • SuperStone

As for LTR, the fact that there isn't anything valuable in that set, is irrelevant. It's a really popular set amongst newer or younger players. First reason, is that it's a BlackWhite era set, but beyond that, it's an exciting set to open. I happen to find LTR is really easy to trade out at 0.75 value, or even an exaggerated 1 value, because of the large population of younger or newer players who just want to open these packs. 

It is a great set, is it not?  It's one of very few where you can get two EXs in the same pack!?!  When I pulled that IRL, I was so psyched; took me ages to calm down.   ^_^ 

 

True, none of it's cards are really worth much, but just look how many goodies it has: Dice energy, Keldeo, Darkrai, Victini (victory star and energy acceleration), Plasma Lugia, Garbotoxin, Mew...  The first appearance of non-legendary (and evolved-form) EXs...  Brutal Bash zoro, Retaliate Terrakion, and Outrage Resh & Zeke, for us one-prize fans...  Oh, and did I mention it introduced one of my favorite supporter cards, Ced?  Cedric Juniper?  :D   :rolleyes: 

 

LTr takes a lot of beating, but it really is awesome for anyone just starting to play Expanded.


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03 July 2018 - 09:26 PM

#13

LordKieta

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  • LordKieta

It is a great set, is it not?  It's one of very few where you can get two EXs in the same pack!?!  When I pulled that IRL, I was so psyched; took me ages to calm down.   ^_^ 

 

True, none of it's cards are really worth much, but just look how many goodies it has: Dice energy, Keldeo, Darkrai, Victini (victory star and energy acceleration), Plasma Lugia, Garbotoxin, Mew...  The first appearance of non-legendary (and evolved-form) EXs...  Brutal Bash zoro, Retaliate Terrakion, and Outrage Resh & Zeke, for us one-prize fans...  Oh, and did I mention it introduced one of my favorite supporter cards, Ced?  Cedric Juniper?  :D   :rolleyes: 

 

LTr takes a lot of beating, but it really is awesome for anyone just starting to play Expanded.

It's such an exciting set to open, even though there is literally nothing in the set that SHOULD make it expensive. 

In my recent experience, I've been able to turn all LTR packs I get, 1:1 into GR packs. I'm not gonna tell how, I never reveal my tricks in this game. But to a reasonable degree, it's an easy 0.75


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04 July 2018 - 12:44 AM

#14

BigGreenGleeby

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  • BigGreenGleeby

All packs should be worth the same. they are packs. its not cards. who cares what you can get inside some packs, you can open them all cant you?


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06 July 2018 - 11:00 AM

#15

Player_Jay

    Trainer

  • Player_Jay
Forbidden Light
Ultra Prisma
Crimson Invasion
Burning Shadow

If we was to pick 3 Pokémon, 2 Trainers, & 2 energy from the above packs, I think we would get a clear picture.

We start off with a deck that has a very strong Pokémon line up.
It is actually tough picking 3 Pokémon out of this pack

FORBIDDEN LIGHT:
Pokémon:
1- Ultra Necro.
2- Greninja
3- Nagandel

Honorable Mention:
4- Zygarde
5- Baby Buzzwole
6- Diance
7- Malamar

Trainers:
1- Beast Ring
2- Master Treasure

Energy:
1- Beast Energy
2- United Energy

Is there any mystery at all as to why I have this pack at 0.7?
Look at the Pokémon coming out of this pack!

A Pokémon deck that reached Worlds in Japan was Ultra Necro.
It is clear Ultra Necro. is part of the meta.

With Further inspection, We see several cards that are the best in there respected Categories.
Ultra Necro. is the best Dragon Pokemon.
Greninja is the best Water Pokemon.

It is very important to note these in our evaluation.
Some people only play specific deck categories.
They only play Water decks or
They only play Fire decks etc.

In addition, the pack contains Pokémon used in tons of different meta decks.
I have never met a Buzzwole deck with out a Baby Buzzwole. Lol
This is why I feel the evaluation is 0.7.

——————————————————

ULTRA PRISMA
Pokémon:
1- Dawn Wings Necro.
2- Dusk Mane Necro.
3- Glaceon

Trainers:
1- Cynthia
2- Lillie

Energy:
1- Super Boost Energy
2- Unit Energy

We can see a difference compared to the previous pack.
This pack Pokémon line up it’s has hard to come up with.
Dawn Wings Necro. is played in a lot of top tier decks.
Dawn Wings Necro. is probably the best Psychic GX for it category.

The other 2 Pokémon are not seen in meta very much, but they are decent.

I feel this pack main strong point is with the trainer line up!
Cynthia is played in every deck for sure.
Lillie has also gain some useage.

I give this deck 0.6 because it has some strong cards, but not as many to other packs.

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CRIMSON INVASION
Pokémon:
1- Buzzwole
2- Guzzlord
3- Silvalley

Trainers:
1- Gladion
2- Wishful Baton

Energy:
1- Warp Energy
2- Water Energy

This pack has the best Pokémon in Standard.
Many people consider Buzzwole as the Best Fighting Pokémon in the Fighting category.
The Buzzwole deck is the Best Deck in Standard Format.

However, We have to evaluate the pack as a whole.
We have to be neutral in our judging.
It was easy for me to pick 3 Pokémon from this pack.
I didn’t struggle like with the Forbidden pack.
It is clear the value can’t be 0.7 or higher.

With further inspection, We can see this pack has some top cards for other categories.
I believe Guzzlord is the best Dark Pokémon for the Dark Category.
Guzzlord can charge up himself.
Guzzlord can deliver a killer hit!

If you wanted to play a Dark Type GX Deck, what Pokémon would you play?
I feel Guzzlord would be a top pick.

Next, we see Silvalley.
I believe Silvalley is the best Colorless Pokemon for the Colorless Category.
It not a meta deck, but it is probably the best in it’s category.
Best Category cards are worth noting.

The trainers I have selected seem reasonable to me.
I personally love Gladion.
I feel Gladion will get better once Town Map rotates out of Standard.

Gladion has saved my tail a few times.
Gladion is the type of card that can be used in every day or no deck at all. Lol
This makes Gladion a great Tech. Card.

Most times you use 1 Gladion to look at your prize cards to get Pokémon, Item card, or Energy.
Sometimes a key card is prized.
Gladion can help get it.
I feel good with my selection of Gladion.

Wishful Baton is another card which could gain some popularity.
Max Elixir is rotating out of Standard.
How do you charge Pokémon fast with out Max Elixir.
1 way could be to use knock out Pokémon as means to charge.
Wishful Baton can transfer energy from a Knock out Pokemon to another.

Wishful Baton is similar to Gladion.
It can be used as Tech in every deck or no deck at all. Lol
No matter what deck you play.
1 of your Pokémon will eventually get knocked out.

I evaluated this deck at 0.6.
I gave it 0.6 because it is like Ultra PRISMA.
It has some strong cards, but not as many as other packs.

Buzzwole is probably carrying the pack.
However, the pack has cards in it which could be played in any meta deck at any time.
Tech. Cards can be tricky.
They could be used at any time.
Than they would help Buzzwole carry the pack.

———————————

It very tough to pick 3 top Pokémon from Burning Shadow because it has several good ones.

BURNING SHADOW
Pokémon:
1- Tapu Bulu
2- Golisopod
3- Gardevior

Honorable Mention:
4- Ho-Oh
5- Darkrai
6- Necrozma
7- Tapu Fini

Trainers:
1- Guzma
2- Choice Band

Honorable Mention:
3- Rescue Stretcher

Energy:
1- Dark Energy
2- Fairy Energy

You know what.
I feel like my 0.6 is unjustifiable for Burning Shadow.
Look at the top tier cards coming out of that pack.

In addition, you have some different top cards for specific categories.
Tapu Bulu is best grass deck.
Ho-oh is the best fire deck.
Gardevior is best fairy deck.

Yeah, I am going to edit my previous comment.
I’m changing Burning Shadow’s to 0.7
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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