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10 June 2018 - 01:57 AM

#1

MGSting

    Rookie Trainer

  • MGSting

While I've been collecting cards throughout Gen 5 I've never really got into deck building until now. So here I present the first deck I've created. Critique would be appreciated

 

Pokemon - 18

3 Umbreon GX

4 Eevee

1 Flareon

3 Darkrai EX

2 Houndour

2 Houndoom

1 Sandygast

1 Pallosand

1 Jirachi Prisim Star

 

Energy - 14

4 Double Colorless

9 Darkness

1 Fighting

 

Trainers - 28

4 Ultra Balls

2 Nest Balls

2 Professor's letter

3 Evosoda

2 Energy Revival

4 Pokemon Communication

3 Lysandre

4 Vs Seeker

4 Exp Share

 

Thank you for your time

 


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10 June 2018 - 07:05 AM

#2

Comicazy

    Junior Trainer

  • Comicazy
Hey Sting, welcome to deck building.

First things first, are you looking to play in Expanded or Standard format? That will help determine the best 'staple' cards to use, as well as what is allowed.

Second, are you playing online? If so, when you select your deck, there is an option to view it and 'export'. This will copy the entire deck with info such as expansion and card number. This helps people know exactly which cards you're using so they can give you an accurate critique.

That's all the time I have right at the moment for helping, but I'll get on again and give some more pointers later. Good luck.

Comic
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10 June 2018 - 01:47 PM

#3

Player_Jay

    Veteran Trainer

  • Player_Jay
Congrats on your first deck build!

I see a lot of errors in your deck.

The errors range from small errors to big errors.

#1- You need to pick a Format.

My advice will be to start with Expanded Format.

The reason why is because cards in Standard Format are usually more expensive.

In addition, Standard Format is fixing to change in a few months.

#2- Your Deck has no Draw supporters.

You need cards which help you draw more cards.

A few cards that accomplish these things include:

- N
- Cynthia
- Colress
- Professor Sycamore
- Professor Jupitor

Your really going to need some of these in your deck.

#3- Deck Chaos

Most people chose 1 Pokémon as there Primary Boss Pokémon.

Depending on your Primary Boss Pokémon, You may or may not need a Secondary Boss Pokémon,

Than the idea is to build a deck strategy around those Pokémon.

Your deck has a few different Pokémon.

Each one looks disconnected from the other.

The only similarity I see is that most of them are Dark Pokémon.

It is unclear to me who your Boss Pokémon is.

It is unclear to me what your Deck Strategy is.

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Usually, Your Deck Strategy corresponds with your Boss Pokémon attack’s.
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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11 June 2018 - 02:19 AM

#4

MGSting

    Rookie Trainer

  • MGSting

Hey Sting, welcome to deck building.

First things first, are you looking to play in Expanded or Standard format? That will help determine the best 'staple' cards to use, as well as what is allowed.

Second, are you playing online? If so, when you select your deck, there is an option to view it and 'export'. This will copy the entire deck with info such as expansion and card number. This helps people know exactly which cards you're using so they can give you an accurate critique.

That's all the time I have right at the moment for helping, but I'll get on again and give some more pointers later. Good luck.

Comic

Thanks for your feedback Comic. I do intend on doing the expanded format, hence why my Flareon is from Ancient Origins. As for if i play online, that I do but I'm also considering using an irl deck to complement my collection. Thanks again


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11 June 2018 - 02:28 AM

#5

MGSting

    Rookie Trainer

  • MGSting

Congrats on your first deck build!

I see a lot of errors in your deck.

The errors range from small errors to big errors.

#1- You need to pick a Format.

My advice will be to start with Expanded Format.

The reason why is because cards in Standard Format are usually more expensive.

In addition, Standard Format is fixing to change in a few months.

#2- Your Deck has no Draw supporters.

You need cards which help you draw more cards.

A few cards that accomplish these things include:

- N
- Cynthia
- Colress
- Professor Sycamore
- Professor Jupitor

Your really going to need some of these in your deck.

#3- Deck Chaos

Most people chose 1 Pokémon as there Primary Boss Pokémon.

Depending on your Primary Boss Pokémon, You may or may not need a Secondary Boss Pokémon,

Than the idea is to build a deck strategy around those Pokémon.

Your deck has a few different Pokémon.

Each one looks disconnected from the other.

The only similarity I see is that most of them are Dark Pokémon.

It is unclear to me who your Boss Pokémon is.

It is unclear to me what your Deck Strategy is.

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Usually, Your Deck Strategy corresponds with your Boss Pokémon attack’s.

For your first point I've decided on doing the Expanded format as you recommended

 

Second, I do admit i'm not very familiar with trainer cards. I did however have a preliminary idea of what the card effects should be, the question was what were the cards that did that (thanks for suggesting those cards too)

 

And for your point about the boss pokemon, because Umbreon would be the only GX pokemon in my deck that would be the boss Pokemon. For my strategy I'll make brief bullet points for each pokemon

 

Flareon: also evolves from Eevee and provides a useful bench ability

Darkrai: also has a move that targets bench pokemon and can warrant free retreats for pokemon with darkness energy, such as Umbreon

Houndoom: can be used in a pinch to nullify any resistances to darkness

Sandygast: can use a move to draw a fighting energy from the deck even when a darkness energy is attached. It and pallosand are obviously meant for type coverage

Jirachi Prism Star: One of the newest cards that was released and has a great ability as a prize card

 

Thanks again for your feedback


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11 June 2018 - 01:01 PM

#6

Mod_Jynthu

    Moderator

  • Mod_Jynthu

Hello MGSting,

 

Thank you for sharing your deck list with us and good luck with your Expanded deck!


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11 June 2018 - 02:58 PM

#7

Player_Jay

    Veteran Trainer

  • Player_Jay
I’m glad my previous advice was helpful to you, MGSting.

I would like to give you some more advice!

I have read the logic behind your card choices.

It has given me helpful insight on why you are using those cards.

The good news is your reasoning behind most of these cards makes very good sense.

The bad news is some of your reasons may not be worth the effort.

What I would like to do is try to offer alternatives.

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The first thing I want to address is the Hounds

- 2x Houndor
- 2x Houndoom

I think you should replace them for better prospects.

You are using the Hounds to deal with Resistance.

It is very solid logic, but maybe there is a better way.

I will explain.

There are 2 main types of Resistance that you should be worried about.

1- Natural Resistance
2- Ability Resistance

- Natural Resistance is the resistance which you see at the bottom of Pokémon card.

It will say something like this Pokémon takes 20 damage less from Dark Types.

In order to deal with this resistance, I say don’t use a Pokémon.

Instead, you should use item card.

3x Choice Band or 3x Muscle Band is way to go!

**We can replace the EXP Shares with these.**

You can attach the Bands to any of your Pokémon.

It will help counter.

- Ability Resistance is the resistance you see which is stated as 1 of the opponents Pokémon attacks.

It will say something like this Pokémon takes no damage from GX or EX Pokémon.

2 popular Pokémon which have this ability include:

- Alolah Ninetails
- Hoopa

The easiest way to deal with these Pokémon is by using a non-GX or EX Pokémon.

The lucky part is that your playing a Dark Deck MGSting.

The reason why your lucky is because you can counter the opponents Hoopa with a Hoopa of your own!

I would add 2x Hoopa into your deck.

Hoopa is Dark Non-GX/EX monster.

It can fight rival ones.

It can slow down rival GX/EX decks.

It is win win for you.

**General Tip To Everyone**

** If you play Water Deck, I always recommend adding 1-2 copies of Alolah Ninetails.

**If you play Dark Deck, I always recommend adding 1-2 copies of Hoopa.

The last 2 Pokemon slots will go to draw support.

I recommend Oranguru for the job!

Oranguru ability is very helpful.

To be continued on next post...

Edited by Player_Jay, 11 June 2018 - 03:18 PM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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11 June 2018 - 03:59 PM

#8

Player_Jay

    Veteran Trainer

  • Player_Jay
Ok, I am back

I am breaking up the post because sometimes the forum messes up on me.

I had few times where I wrote a lot than everything got deleted. Lol

The next Pokémon I want to talk about is the Sands!

- Sandgyst
- Pallosand

The reason your using these Pokémon is to help cover your weakeness.

Let’s talk out your logic.

Dark Type Pokémon are weak against Fighting Type.

Fighting Type Pokémon are weak against Pyschic Type & Grass Type.

Your deck is mainly Dark Type which is weak to Fighting.

Your using Pallosand to help fight off the Fighting decks.

You are using text book logic here!

It is very good!

The problem I have isn’t with the logic!

It is with your execution.

Your using a Fighting Energy, Sandgyst, & Pallosand to cover.

My question is why not use a Psychic Enery & Espeon GX?

Your deck has Eevee!

You can make Espeon GX which can cover just as effectively.

To me, It seems like a better coverage Pokémon.

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The last thing I want to touch on is Flareon.

You added Flareon so that his ability could change your Pokémon type.

The Logic your using is to try and gain a weakness advantage over your opponent!

It is very good logic!

The problem I have is that you didn’t commit to it!

Either, Commit all the way or not at all.

- Flareon
- Jolteon
- Vaporeon

Or

None

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Based on all my Advice, I came with a deck list.

The deck list I will show you is just an example.

It is an example of the sort of deck list I was thinking about as I gave you my advice.


****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 18

* 4 Eevee SUM 101
* 2 Oranguru SUM 113
* 2 Darkrai-EX PR-BLW BW46
* 2 Hoopa SLG 55
* 3 Umbreon-GX SUM 80
* 1 Flareon AOR 13
* 1 Jolteon AOR 26
* 1 Jirachi-EX PLB 60
* 1 Espeon-GX SUM 61
* 1 Vaporeon AOR 22

##Trainer Cards - 28

* 3 N NVI 92
* 2 Colress PLS 118
* 1 Professor's Letter BKT 146
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 3 Guzma BUS 115
* 4 Pokémon Communication TK-Excadrill 24
* 1 Super Rod BKT 149
* 1 Sacred Ash FLF 96
* 1 VS Seeker PHF 109
* 2 Field Blower GRI 125
* 3 Nest Ball SUM 123

##Energy - 14

* 8 Darkness Energy Energy 7
* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 2 Psychic Energy Energy 5

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******


Hopefully, It can give you an idea.
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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11 June 2018 - 04:38 PM

#9

BowserLuigi

    Elite Trainer

  • BowserLuigi
^ or you can use Silvally GX, with fighting and psychic memory, combined with eeveelutions (including umbreon gx but excluding espeon gx), you can hit for fire, water, electric, dark, psychic and fighting, all the while using only one type of energy.
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11 June 2018 - 08:55 PM

#10

Player_Jay

    Veteran Trainer

  • Player_Jay
^ or you can use Pure Eevee, with all of Eevee Evolution’s (Including Alolah Exeggutor but Excluding Vaporeon), you can hit for Fire, Water, Electric, Dark, Psychic, Grass, and Fairy, all the while using 6 different types of Energy.

A Deck List I made can be seen below:

It is for Expanded, but it can be modified for both this current Standard and new rotation Standard coming September 1.

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 18

* 4 Eevee SUM 101
* 2 Oranguru SUM 113
* 1 Umbreon-GX SUM 80
* 1 Sylveon-GX GRI 92
* 1 Flareon AOR 13
* 2 Exeggcute FLI 1
* 2 Alolan Exeggutor FLI 2
* 2 Leafeon-GX UPR 13
* 1 Jolteon AOR 26
* 1 Espeon-GX SUM 61
* 1 Glaceon-GX UPR 39

##Trainer Cards - 27

* 1 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130
* 1 Town Map BKT 150
* 3 N FCO 105
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 2 Professor's Letter BKT 146
* 1 Super Rod BKT 149
* 2 Ultra Ball FLF 99
* 3 Nest Ball SUM 123
* 3 Cynthia UPR 119
* 2 Field Blower GRI 125
* 3 Guzma BUS 115
* 2 Colress PLS 118
* 1 VS Seeker PHF 109

##Energy - 15

* 2 Fairy Energy Energy 9
* 2 Psychic Energy Energy 5
* 2 Water Energy Energy 3
* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 3 Grass Energy Energy 1
* 2 Darkness Energy Energy 7

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******

It is hilarious to play!
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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11 June 2018 - 10:33 PM

#11

Chasista

    Elite Trainer

  • Chasista

Don't want to go too much inside the deck as, a lot have been suggested and I wouldn't know where to start, initial deck or all the changes BUT, no matter what, if you're going to play Expanded, you need 4 Vs seeker and 1 ACE Spec. I know when starting the game only one Vs seeker is given but, it's so staple that you can't miss 4, and Ace Specs are so powerful that at least half of the released would help the deck, even not being C Search nor D Machine.

 

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IGN Chasista

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12 June 2018 - 01:35 AM

#12

MGSting

    Rookie Trainer

  • MGSting

Ok, I am back

I am breaking up the post because sometimes the forum messes up on me.

I had few times where I wrote a lot than everything got deleted. Lol

The next Pokémon I want to talk about is the Sands!

- Sandgyst
- Pallosand

The reason your using these Pokémon is to help cover your weakeness.

Let’s talk out your logic.

Dark Type Pokémon are weak against Fighting Type.

Fighting Type Pokémon are weak against Pyschic Type & Grass Type.

Your deck is mainly Dark Type which is weak to Fighting.

Your using Pallosand to help fight off the Fighting decks.

You are using text book logic here!

It is very good!

The problem I have isn’t with the logic!

It is with your execution.

Your using a Fighting Energy, Sandgyst, & Pallosand to cover.

My question is why not use a Psychic Enery & Espeon GX?

Your deck has Eevee!

You can make Espeon GX which can cover just as effectively.

To me, It seems like a better coverage Pokémon.

——————————————————————

The last thing I want to touch on is Flareon.

You added Flareon so that his ability could change your Pokémon type.

The Logic your using is to try and gain a weakness advantage over your opponent!

It is very good logic!

The problem I have is that you didn’t commit to it!

Either, Commit all the way or not at all.

- Flareon
- Jolteon
- Vaporeon

Or

None

—————————————————

Based on all my Advice, I came with a deck list.

The deck list I will show you is just an example.

It is an example of the sort of deck list I was thinking about as I gave you my advice.


****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 18

* 4 Eevee SUM 101
* 2 Oranguru SUM 113
* 2 Darkrai-EX PR-BLW BW46
* 2 Hoopa SLG 55
* 3 Umbreon-GX SUM 80
* 1 Flareon AOR 13
* 1 Jolteon AOR 26
* 1 Jirachi-EX PLB 60
* 1 Espeon-GX SUM 61
* 1 Vaporeon AOR 22

##Trainer Cards - 28

* 3 N NVI 92
* 2 Colress PLS 118
* 1 Professor's Letter BKT 146
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 3 Guzma BUS 115
* 4 Pokémon Communication TK-Excadrill 24
* 1 Super Rod BKT 149
* 1 Sacred Ash FLF 96
* 1 VS Seeker PHF 109
* 2 Field Blower GRI 125
* 3 Nest Ball SUM 123

##Energy - 14

* 8 Darkness Energy Energy 7
* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 2 Psychic Energy Energy 5

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******


Hopefully, It can give you an idea.

Thanks for providing a sample deck. I'll take a look at it and see if it works out

 

Thanks again for your feedback


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