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September 1, 2018 Format Rotation - GENGAR!


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06 June 2018 - 07:12 PM

#1

Player_Jay

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I am a huge Gengar Fan.

In fact, I refuse to play any format that doesn’t have Gengar in it!

The good news is the Curse Gengar is playable in Standard!

The bad news is the Curse Gengar isn’t the greatest Gengar compared to other Gengars! Lol

For better or for worst, I decided to make a Curse Gengar deck for Standard.

Gengar is my favorite Pokémon!

I can’t help, but to play him!

The deck I made is posted below:

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 19

* 2 Oranguru SUM 113
* 3 Gastly CIN 36
* 3 Zubat SUM 54
* 3 Golbat SUM 55
* 2 Haunter CIN 37
* 3 Crobat SUM 56
* 3 Gengar CIN 38

##Trainer Cards - 29

* 4 Mysterious Treasure FLI 113
* 1 Lillie SUM 147
* 3 N FCO 105
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 3 Rare Candy SUM 129
* 1 Gladion CIN 95
* 1 Super Rod BKT 149
* 2 Brigette BKT 134
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 3 Guzma BUS 115
* 3 Altar of the Moone GRI 117
* 1 Professor Kukui SUM 148

##Energy - 12

* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 8 Psychic Energy XYEnergy 8

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******

The above deck list is what brings me to Deck Construction looking for some advice.

Some of the cards in my deck will no longer be playable on September 1!

- 3x N
- 1x Super Rod
- 2x Brigette

I would like to have a discussion on what alternate cards to use!

A few people in trading post chat told me to replace N with Judge.

A few other people said to replace N with Llama.

Than on top of that I’m running a heavy monster line.

What to replace Brigette with?

What do you peeps think?
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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06 June 2018 - 07:57 PM

#2

SuperStone

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Here's a gengar list that I think is pretty solid.  It's not meta, of course, but it has a surprising amount of competitivity.

Spoiler

 

The idea is to get a few damage counters out with Koko and gnawing curse, then use creep show for easy KOs.


The truth waits for no one.  That which you refuse to see, TPCi, slips past you.  The chat function was never your problem, yet through your blindness, you have made it one.

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07 June 2018 - 12:11 AM

#3

Player_Jay

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Thanks for the reply, SuperStone

Truthfully, I already have a very good Creepshow Gengar Deck!

I play it in Expanded Format.

The deck list I showed is for the up coming Standard Format.

I’m trying to get some idea’s on which supporters to use.
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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07 June 2018 - 03:20 AM

#4

Comicazy

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From what I've read, and experimented with, Pokemon Fan Club seems to be a decent replacement for Bridgett. Only lets you pull 2 basics, but allows pulling to the hand instead of straight to the bench. That's good for those Poke's that have an ability that can only be used when placing from the hand.

 

Judge may be a decent replacement for N, not sure as I haven't played with it yet. Lima is interesting, although it could backfire. Wicke could be an option as well.

 

I'd also run 1 or 2 of Acerola. Great for when you want to reuse Tapu Lele-GX for Wondertag ability, or get someone out of the hot seat. I've been able to rearrange energy that way too. Can turn a dying active into a comeback from the bench.

 

Not a huge fan of Professor Kukui, maybe consider running Lillie, unless you're counting on that extra 20 damage. Otherwise his draw support is pretty weak.

 

Oranguru just never seemed useful enough to me to justify a spot on the bench. I always preferred Octillery(although it's rotating out now), even though it has to evolve. You may have had better success with it though. I think draw support and setup is going to start moving to dependency on trainers. Cythia, Ultra Ball, etc.

 

BTW, I just looked up Gladion, that seems like it could be pretty useful. Can anyone give some examples of times that the card has really come though for them?

 

Hopefully my thoughts help. By no stretch of the imagination am I an expert or master, so take what you will. Good luck, and feel free to check out a couple of the fun decks I posted(no Gengar, sorry lol)

 

Comic


Edited by Comicazy, 07 June 2018 - 03:22 AM.

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07 June 2018 - 04:03 AM

#5

BowserLuigi

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^ I don't believe Wicke will ever see play, since she's a draw supporter that actually shrinks your hand, ALWAYS (unlike N). Judge is more promising. Illima is slightly better than Wicke, but I'll still probably won't play it.

Acerola cannot reliably be used to reuse Leles, as she requires that the target be wounded. Putting aside the fact that you can't even play another supporter for the turn. Acerola will probably still only be played in specific decks.

I only see decks with Zoroark GX use Kukui in standard. That 20 damage boost is good but that 2 card draw is nothing. Lillie however will almost certainly see a rise in usage. Also expect Oranguru to rise in usage as well, what with weaker draw support post-rotation.

Gladion is not a staple card, but may be crucial in certain decks where you really can't afford to have anything important prized (e.g. AT Gyarados)

The new Tate and Liza will PROBABLY see at least some play once it comes out (unless another sycamore comes in)

Edited by BowserLuigi, 07 June 2018 - 04:06 AM.

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07 June 2018 - 04:39 AM

#6

Comicazy

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Good point on Wicke. Not very helpful if she's the last card in your hand. Seems like Judge will be the best choice for N replacement unless something better comes out.

 

Not going to argue about Acerola either, although she's saved my bacon a few times near the end of a match.

 

I'll have to look into Gladion a bit more. Any benefits in running a high count of him?

 

Tate? Liza? You have details on an upcoming expansion? Sharing is caring! Lol 

 

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07 June 2018 - 05:15 AM

#7

BowserLuigi

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I'll have to look into Gladion a bit more. Any benefits in running a high count of him?
 
Tate? Liza? You have details on an upcoming expansion? Sharing is caring! Lol 
 
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- Shouldn't think so, considering that most decks don't even run him.

Tate and Liza (Supporter)

Choose 1:
- Shuffle your hand into your deck and draw 5 cards (like Shauna)
- Switch your active pokemon with one of your bench pokemon (like switch)

pokebeach has the relevant article(s)
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08 June 2018 - 02:57 AM

#8

Player_Jay

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@Comicazy

Next Format, I feel 2 thing will happen!

1- I feel like Standard will become slower because a lot of powerful cards will be removed.

I feel this slower pace will allow Non-GX decks to have a chance!

2- Max Elixir will not be allowed in Standard.

I feel with the removal of Max Elixir Gengars Gnawing Curse will have more potency.

The above is what I think will happen!

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Now I would like to explain my deck strategy/plan.

My plan is to use Gengar Ability or Attack to lower my opponents HP into the 120-150 HP Range.

Than I will Retreat my Gengar back into the shadows of my Bench!

Gengar has 0 Retreat Cost which is no problem for me!

I will than Fly in with my Crobat to do a Surprise Attack!

Crobat will do 120 HP Damage.

...150 HP Damage with Choice Band.

...170 HP Damage with Choice Band & Professor Kuki.

This is why I added Professor Kuki into my deck.

I will say that I am still unsure about Professor Kuki.

My final deck list isn’t made.

I’m testing different idea’s & cards.

This is why I am here looking for different card idea’s.

I’m the type of person that is willing to change things & try different things.

I want to make this Gengar/Crobat Deck the very best it can be!

In order to do so I am willing to try different cards.

You mentioned Acerola!

I thank you for your suggestion!

I will replace Professor Kuki with Acerola!

I’ll see how I like Acerola!

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The last thing I would like to say is about Gladion!

In my previous Gengar Decks, I always ran 1 copy of the card Town Map.

Town Map will not be allowed in next Standard Format so I decided to give Gladion a try!

Gladion isn’t as great as Town Maps, but I like it!

It has saved me in a few battles!

I owe a few of my wins to that card!

I had my Gengar in Active Spot vs a Ultra Necro.

I needed 1 Double Colorless Energy for my Benched Crobat!

I had no other supporters in my hand!

I used the Gladion and by my Surprise a Double Color Energy was there!

It basically turned the game around!

My opponent couldn’t charge up another one in time!

I ended up winning!

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Another game Gladion won me the match in 3 turns!

I started with a Gastly + Brigette.

I equipped 1 Pyschic energy on my Gastly.

I ended my turn 1.

My opponent went 2nd.

They brought out a Ralts.

However, they was unable to get any other Bench Pokémon in play.

Turn 3 came around and I pulled off a sweet game ending play.

I can’t remeber my exact hand.

However, It was something like the below:

- Rare Candy
- Double Color Energy
- Gladion
- I think last few cards were Choice Band.

I had no Draw supporter.

My idea was to use Gladion and get a Draw supporter in my hand for next turn.

I used Gladion and guess what I saw in my Prize?

I saw a Cynthia!

But than I looked at my other Prize cards closer!

Guess who I saw?

Gengar!!!

- My Gastly in active spot had 1 - energy
- My Opponent only had 1 - 60 HP Pokémon
- The Rare Candy in my hand
- The Double Energy in my hand

The missing ingredient to win the battle!

- I picked the Gengar
- I used the Rare Candy to evolve my Gastly to Gengar
- I added Double Color Energy to my Gengar
- I attacked for 70 damage killing the opponents only monster!

I know a lot of people say terrible things about Gladion.

They say it is terrible because you can’t use another support that turn!

Truthfully, I was going for a Draw supporter.

I was going to have to wait another turn!

When the time came for me to draw that Draw supporter, Did I?

Nope!

I chose the Gengar!

I won that game!

In the end, I never needed a Draw Supporter!

I devoted 1 card slot in my deck for Town Maps.

I like using Town Maps so that I can see what is inside my prize pool.

Some people memorize there entire deck.

They know what is prized.

I never wanted to work that hard. Lol

I can barely remember my own Birth Day.

There no way I’m remembering every card in my deck!

Gladion helps you see what is in there.

It’s not as great as a Town Maps, but it gets the job done.

Edited by Player_Jay, 08 June 2018 - 03:09 AM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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11 June 2018 - 10:05 PM

#9

Player_Jay

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Here is my September 1, 2019 Gengar Deck List:

Drum Roll Please!!!!

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 19

* 2 Oranguru SUM 113
* 3 Gastly CIN 36
* 3 Zubat SUM 54
* 3 Golbat SUM 55
* 2 Haunter CIN 37
* 3 Crobat SUM 56
* 3 Gengar CIN 38

##Trainer Cards - 29

* 1 Gladion CIN 109
* 4 Mysterious Treasure FLI 113
* 2 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130
* 1 Lillie SUM 147
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 3 Rare Candy SUM 129
* 2 Pokémon Fan Club UPR 133
* 3 Judge FLI 108
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 3 Guzma BUS 115
* 3 Altar of the Moone GRI 117

##Energy - 12

* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 8 Psychic Energy XYEnergy 8

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******


Ta Da!

What does everyone think?

I’m trying to make the deck the very best it can be!
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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12 June 2018 - 04:47 AM

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draczod

    Rookie Trainer

  • draczod

This deck screams for a "Shrine of Punishment".

 

My thoughts

 

(-1) Altar of the Moone

(+1) Shrine of Punishment

 

(-2) Cynthia

(-1) Lillie

(+3) Tate & Liza

 

(-2) Pokemon Fan Club

(+2) Nest Ball

 

(-1) Oranguru

(+1) Tapu Lele-GX (SUE ME)

 

Either way it looks like fun. Cheers!


Edited by draczod, 12 June 2018 - 05:02 AM.

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12 June 2018 - 06:03 AM

#11

BowserLuigi

    Elite Trainer

  • BowserLuigi

This deck screams for a "Shrine of Punishment".

My thoughts

(-2) Cynthia

No seriously don't do this it hurts my eyes (even more than players playing random hammers, potions and hau). Whatever you do, go with 4 Cynthias.

Edited by BowserLuigi, 12 June 2018 - 06:04 AM.

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13 June 2018 - 01:00 AM

#12

Player_Jay

    Veteran Trainer

  • Player_Jay
I have decided to do a mixture of what Draczod & Bowserluigi has said.

- I will replace 1 Altar of Moon with 1 Shining Punishment.

I don’t run very many GX so it will hurt my opponents.

- I will keep my 4 Cynthia.

I like the draw power it provides.

- I will change 1 Lillie for 1 Tate & Liza

I think Tate & Liza will be better than Lillie.

- I will keep 1 Pokémon Fan Club.

I run 2 different Evolution Lines.

I want to first turn set up as fast as possible.

Mysterious Treasure > Tapu Lele > Pokémon Fan Club can still be good

- I am willing to change 1 Pokémon Fan Club to 1 Nest Ball.

I only want to use Pokémon Fan Club on turn 1 or 2.

I don’t really want to use it later.

I think Nest Ball will be better later so I don’t use up my Supporter that turn.

- I will change 1 Oranguru with 1 Tapu Lele.

I have been opening GR packs since they came out.

I still haven’t pulled a Tapu Lele, but I will make change when I get it.

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This is what the deck looks like with the above changes:

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 19

* 1 Oranguru SUM 113
* 3 Gastly CIN 36
* 1 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60
* 3 Zubat SUM 54
* 3 Golbat SUM 55
* 2 Haunter CIN 37
* 3 Crobat SUM 56
* 3 Gengar CIN 38

##Trainer Cards - 29

* 1 Gladion CIN 109
* 4 Mysterious Treasure FLI 113
* 2 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130
* 1 Tate & Liza ( Celestial Storm)
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 1 Pal Pad UPR 132
* 3 Rare Candy SUM 129
* 1 Pokémon Fan Club UPR 133
* 3 Judge FLI 108
* 1 Nest Ball SUM 123
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 2 Guzma BUS 115
* 2 Altar of the Moone GRI 117
* 1 Shining Punishment (Celestial Storm)

##Energy - 12

* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 8 Psychic Energy XYEnergy 8

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******


Yeah, It is going to be a lean mean Dueling Machine!

Wooooty. Wooot.

Any more idea’s to make the deck even better?

Edited by Player_Jay, 13 June 2018 - 02:59 AM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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16 June 2018 - 05:50 AM

#13

Player_Jay

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  • Player_Jay
Ladies & Gentlemen, I have made more changes to my Gengar deck!

Take a look at it and tell me what you think!

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 18

* 1 Oranguru SUM 113
* 1 Zygarde-GX FLI 73
* 3 Gastly CIN 36
* 1 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60
* 2 Zubat SUM 54
* 2 Golbat SUM 55
* 3 Haunter CIN 37
* 2 Crobat SUM 56
* 3 Gengar CIN 38

##Trainer Cards - 32

* 1 Gladion CIN 109
* 4 Mysterious Treasure FLI 113
* 1 Rescue Stretcher GRI 130
* 2 Energy Loto GRI 122
* 2 Hala GRI 143
* 1 Pokémon Fan Club UPR 155
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 1 Pal Pad UPR 132
* 4 Rare Candy SUM 129
* 3 Judge FLI 108
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 2 Guzma BUS 115
* 2 Altar of the Moone GRI 117
* 1 Shining Punishment
* 1 Energy Retrieval SUM 116

##Energy - 10

* 2 Fighting Energy Energy 6
* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 4 Psychic Energy SUM 162

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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18 June 2018 - 12:57 PM

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Mod_Jynthu

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Hi Player_Jay,

 

Thank you for sharing your updated deck list with us! How do you like how it is playing?


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19 June 2018 - 12:03 AM

#15

Player_Jay

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  • Player_Jay
Mod_Jynthu asked a very good question!

The deck list I have posted here isn’t what I am currently playing in Standard!
The deck list I have here is what I think my current Standard deck is going to change into on September 1.
The deck list I am currently using I will post below:

****** Pokémon Trading Card Game Deck List ******

##Pokémon - 18

* 1 Oranguru SUM 113
* 1 Zygarde-GX FLI 73
* 3 Gastly CIN 36
* 1 Tapu Lele-GX GRI 60
* 2 Zubat SUM 54
* 2 Golbat SUM 55
* 3 Haunter CIN 37
* 2 Crobat SUM 56
* 3 Gengar CIN 38

##Trainer Cards - 32

* 4 Mysterious Treasure FLI 113
* 1 Town Map BKT 150. ———> Gladion CIN 109
* 3 N FCO 105. ———> Judge FLI 108
* 3 Choice Band GRI 121
* 1 Pal Pad UPR 132
* 2 Professor's Letter BKT 146. ———> Energy Loto GRI 122
* 2 Super Rod BKT 149. ———> Rescue Stretcher & Energy Retrieval
* 4 Evosoda XY 116. ———> Rare Candy
* 4 Cynthia UPR 119
* 2 Guzma BUS 115
* 1 Brigette BKT 161. ———> Pokemon Fan Club
* 1 Parallel City BKT 145. ———> Shining Punishment
* 2 Altar of the Moone GRI 117
* 2 Professor Sycamore PHF 101. ———> Hala GRI 143

##Energy - 10

* 2 Fighting Energy Energy 6
* 4 Double Colorless Energy NXD 92
* 4 Psychic Energy SUM 162

Total Cards - 60

****** Deck List Generated by the Pokémon TCG Online www.pokemon.com/TCGO ******

The deck on the left is what I am currently using in Standard.
The arrows/cards on the right is what I am planning to change for the new September 1 Standard.

I really enjoy playing the deck!
If you remember, I originally was using a 3-3-3 Crobat line + No Zygarde.
The problem I had was going up against Dark Type Decks.

Gengar is my main Attacker.
Crobat is my second Attacker.

Gengar has weakness vs Dark Type Pokémon.
Most Dark Type Pokémon have resistance vs Pyschic Type.

Basically, I was having trouble because my main Attacker shattered like glass vs them and my second Attacker was debuffed with the resistance.

I decided to add in a tech card (Zygarde).
In order to make room, I changed the Crobat line to 2-2-2 instead of 3-3-3.

Dark Type Decks are weak vs Fighting.
Zygarde is a solid fighting Pokémon + his first attack is Double Color Attack.
It does 50 damage or 80 damage with Choice Band x 2 for weakness advantage!
Zygarde hits them for around 100-160 Damage.

The funny thing is I picked Zygarde as my tech card because it was a Basic Pokémon with solid HP.
In addition, The Attack was Double Colorless which meant I didn’t need to use Fighting Energy in my deck at all!
My plan was to stick with 1 Type of energy.
As time went on, I changed 2 Pyschic Energy for 2 Fighting!
To my surprise, The added Fighting Energy did surprisingly well!

My deck does 3 main attack’s:

- Gengar - Fade to Black = 1 Pyschic + 2 Colorless
- Crobat - Surprise Attack = 3 Colorless
- Zygarde- Cell Connector = 2 Colorless

The only Pokémon that uses Pyschic is my Gengar.
The others can use either Pyschic or Fighting.
I believe this is why it doesn’t hurt me much!

Overall, I am very pleased with my deck.
My Gengar Deck has beat top meta decks which many believe isn’t impossible.

The deck core cards are very cheap!
Gengar Line & Crobat Line can be bought for practically nothing.
Tapu Lele & Zygarde are the only 2 expensive cards.
However, Tapu Lele is expensive in every deck. Lol

The deck strategy is easy!
You attack with Gengar’s Fade to Black.
It causes your opponents confused.
Than you retreat into Crobat to do Surprise Attack!
It is a very simple plan that works. Lol

Why shouldn’t it work?
Gengar is the Jab!
The Jab isn’t fatal.
It is designed to probe & disorient the opponents.

Crobat is the Right Hook!
The Right Hook is fatal.
It is designed to finish the opponent!

We are doing the 1, 2 punch!
In addition, I am always on the look out for more suggestions & improvements!
Striving for Perfection!

What does the perfect Gengar/Crobat Deck look like?
I don’t know, but we can’t find out if we don’t try.
It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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19 June 2018 - 03:05 AM

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BowserLuigi

    Elite Trainer

  • BowserLuigi
^ In regards to post-rotation swaps, Hala is a (very) poor sycamore replacement, and should instead be replaced with Lillie. Not sure if Judge is useful enough to warrant 3 copies to replace N. Might wanna consider the upcoming Tate and Liza instead (or go 3 Lillie and 2 TnL, or put in a Judge somewhere in there), though with Oranguru Judge might not be so bad. Anyway feel free to experiment when the time comes.
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19 June 2018 - 08:02 PM

#17

Player_Jay

    Veteran Trainer

  • Player_Jay
I disagree with you, Bowserluigi.
Hala will be top meta draw supporter.
Hala is the only card in my eyes that will be good enough to replace Sycamore.

Sycamore draws 7 cards!
Lillie is trash in my eyes.
The highest draw I got from Lillie was 6.
The lowest draw I got from Lillie was 1.
The average draw I get from Lillie is 3. HAU!
Lillie is nothing more than a female artwork Hau.

Maybe, I am just unlucky.
Maybe, Other people are having better luck.
I’m not using Lillie.

When my opponent looks at his deck, He will see 30 cards remaining.
When my opponent looks at my deck, He will see 1 cards remaining.
In his heart, He will know that he was out played.
An if he manages to beat me in that situation, It wasn’t because of skill.
It was because of shear dumb luck.
The card I needed to finish him was prized!

In order for me to start the dominating process, I need maximum card pulls.
I only saw 2 draw supporter that can get me 7 cards!
-Ilama
-Hala

I think Illama is to risky.
It can give my opponent 7 cards that would ruin me!
I’m going with Hala!

The only problem I can foresee is how easy will it be for my deck to do the GX Attack.
I only use 2 GX Lele & Zygarde.
With out the GX, Hala gives me 4 cards.
It is better than what I get from Lillie on average which is 3 cards.
However, T&L will give 5 cards.

If I can’t get my GX fast enough, I might try T&L over Hala.
1 extra card is still 1 extra card.
I will test it out.
I will see how it does when time comes.

Edited by Player_Jay, 19 June 2018 - 08:04 PM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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19 June 2018 - 11:30 PM

#18

BowserLuigi

    Elite Trainer

  • BowserLuigi

I disagree with you, Bowserluigi.
Hala will be top meta draw supporter.
Hala is the only card in my eyes that will be good enough to replace Sycamore.
Sycamore draws 7 cards!
Lillie is trash in my eyes.
The highest draw I got from Lillie was 6.
The lowest draw I got from Lillie was 1.
The average draw I get from Lillie is 3. HAU!
Lillie is nothing more than a female artwork Hau.
Maybe, I am just unlucky.
Maybe, Other people are having better luck.
I’m not using Lillie.
When my opponent looks at his deck, He will see 30 cards remaining.
When my opponent looks at my deck, He will see 1 cards remaining.
In his heart, He will know that he was out played.
An if he manages to beat me in that situation, It wasn’t because of skill.
It was because of shear dumb luck.
The card I needed to finish him was prized!
In order for me to start the dominating process, I need maximum card pulls.
I only saw 2 draw supporter that can get me 7 cards!
-Ilama
-Hala
I think Illama is to risky.
It can give my opponent 7 cards that would ruin me!
I’m going with Hala!
The only problem I can foresee is how easy will it be for my deck to do the GX Attack.
I only use 2 GX Lele & Zygarde.
With out the GX, Hala gives me 4 cards.
It is better than what I get from Lillie on average which is 3 cards.
However, T&L will give 5 cards.
If I can’t get my GX fast enough, I might try T&L over Hala.
1 extra card is still 1 extra card.
I will test it out.
I will see how it does when time comes.

No. Hala is just bad. Even in the days of Drampa and Metagross with their one energy GXes he has never been good. Reason because you never know when you'll want to use your GX. And a 4-card draw is...well...pathetic (especially with no octillery).

The thing with Hala is that if you play too many copies you'll risk drawing into them too early and give what is essentially a very bad cynthia. Play too little and they may not be in your hand when you do use your GX, or will be destroyed over the course of the game. This is especially true for the deck you've posted above, where the only options for a GX are Verdict, which costs a lot of energies and therefore not something you can just expend on a whim (and you only have 2 basic fightings) and Tapu Cure, which you really hope you never have to use cuz that's one free turn for your enemy to take out your Lele or whatever.

I can see Hala being used if vs seeker gets a reprint but for now I'm sceptical.

In contrast with Lillie who may be the premier first turn draw supporter after brigette is gone. After that, the potential to draw more than Hau automatically makes her much better than Hau. Even if you don't use Lillie, there's still Tate and Liza, which will probably be more beneficial in the long run

I do agree that Illima is bad and I'd rather use Judge if I want hand disruption, or ...... any good draw supporter if I want draws.

Edited by BowserLuigi, 19 June 2018 - 11:33 PM.

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20 June 2018 - 01:11 AM

#19

Player_Jay

    Veteran Trainer

  • Player_Jay

No. Hala is just bad. Even in the days of Drampa and Metagross with their one energy GXes he has never been good. Reason because you never know when you'll want to use your GX. And a 4-card draw is...well...pathetic (especially with no octillery).
The thing with Hala is that if you play too many copies you'll risk drawing into them too early and give what is essentially a very bad cynthia. Play too little and they may not be in your hand when you do use your GX, or will be destroyed over the course of the game. This is especially true for the deck you've posted above, where the only options for a GX are Verdict, which costs a lot of energies and therefore not something you can just expend on a whim (and you only have 2 basic fightings) and Tapu Cure, which you really hope you never have to use cuz that's one free turn for your enemy to take out your Lele or whatever.
I can see Hala being used if vs seeker gets a reprint but for now I'm sceptical.
In contrast with Lillie who may be the premier first turn draw supporter after brigette is gone. After that, the potential to draw more than Hau automatically makes her much better than Hau. Even if you don't use Lillie, there's still Tate and Liza, which will probably be more beneficial in the long run
I do agree that Illima is bad and I'd rather use Judge if I want hand disruption, or ...... any good draw supporter if I want draws.

My premier first turn draw supporter will be Pokémon Fan Club to replace Brigette.
Pokémon Fan Club gives 1 less Pokemon than Brigette.
It will be a minor loss for me, but I have to use it.
I run Evolution lines.
I need to get them started as soon as possible.

Yeah, Verdict & Tapu Cure are the only 2 GX attack’s I have.
I don’t know how tough it will be to get them off!
I have 2 slots in my deck for a draw supporter!

2x Hala
or
2x Tate & Liza

I will see which one works best.
I own 2 Full Art Hala’s already!
I will test them out first.

Edited by Player_Jay, 20 June 2018 - 01:13 AM.

It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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01 July 2018 - 09:30 AM

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OU7C4ST

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  • OU7C4ST

Gengar is my 2nd favorite Pokemon only behind Togepi!

I really hope we see a Gengar-GX soon!


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