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The arbitrary, wide spread price nerf


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13 May 2018 - 10:09 PM

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Cubchoo103

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  • Cubchoo103
Makes zero sense, and somehow has been created collectively and exclusively by the community

It seemed to have started when Pokemon said "we're making it easier to get the cards you want" ok makes sense, cards will be less rare so their price will go down.. and they sure have, everything and I mean EVRYTHING has been thoroughly slashed, but the interesting thing about that is WE (I say we because the community dictates the market, not pokemon) have put the horse before the cart, everything has received a completely arbitrary price cut and Pokemon hasn't done ANYTHING to make the cards easier to get, in fact a lot of them they've made harder since theyve removed legacy tournaments and nerfed the hck out of tourney rewards in general... yet their prices are still plummeting

Makes zero sense, why has say FA keldeo EXs price just recently been cut in half? Was he made easier to get as promised? On the contrary, there is now ZERO way to get a boundaries crossed pack, and there's no reason he should've experienced a change in demand in just the last month or so.. and this is just one example among a trillion

Basically everything in the game has randomly had its price chopped in half, for computer search and N this makes sense cause they were laddered but FA Ultra Ball, FA Cythina, DEX FA Darkrai ex, FA Keldeo ex and etc etc a million other examples.. no reason for them to have dropped so heavily all at the same time when their have been no effects surrounding them in terms of use, availability, rotation, demand, any factors that usually apply to the value of a card

And it's not like pack pulls have gotten any better, in fact pack pulls here are notoriously AWFUL, so what incentive do I have to EVER open a single pack again.. the other day I opened 19 FBL packs, I got 18 worthless common rares.. and an RA yveltal gx (woo) this is a massive net loss.. why would I open 3-20 packs and if I'm lucky out of the entire lot I'll pull one card that I can trade for.. 1 pack yayyyyy (this applies even more so with many other types of packs, FBL isn't even the best example) granted opening packs in this game was always widely considered malpractice.. but now it's an even worse idea since like 90% of "ultra rare" cards that you're just PRAYING to pull.. Will net you 1 measly pack.. that you can open and get a pile of dust (another yay)

The reason I felt the need to post about this is because I just find it all so weird and random, and again this is a self inflicted problem by the community, as a whole we control the market and we've broke it for seemingly no reason, we got a half-(you know what) promise by Pokemon, we reacted and it turns out Pokemon delivered the EXACT OPPOSITE of their promise, yet the market overhaul remains the same

-EDIT: just to elaborate on this^ a bit, even if Pokemon does implement legacy packs into the shop (which I'm starting to believe is a complete bold face lie, I mean we KNOW it's not hard to do and it takes no time at all, they threw XY in at the snap of a finger.. gee thanks those are totally worthwhile) but even if they do implement legacy packs how does that effect the value of things like FA Cynthia and UB? Etc

There's no logical way to rationalize any of this, and for anyone who plans on saying "you're just a salty collector who's mad the price of all his stuff got slashed" well.. yes I have a lot of old and previously very valuable stuff, however "investment wise" I technically havnt really lost anything because of this considering I never planned on trading any of it at any point, I have playsets of stuff that I keep forever and any time I had an overflow of it (for example a 5th FA juniper or something) it was traded out quickly for other stuff I wanted, so the number on the high value stuff I had doesn't really matter to me since my plan was always to keep it all forever anyway, I was never hoarding comp searches or anything like that lol pretty sure the only time I ever had so much as 2 of them in my possession is when it was recently put on the ladder.. but yeah just wanted to reinforce the fact that the only reason I'm bringing this up is because it's just extremely random and makes no sense at all.. and I am completely unbiased in saying that, and frankly there's really no argument against it other than "well we were trciked by pokemon" but now that we know that why have we not reverted back? Not only have we not reverted back which would be the logical next step, we've CONTINUED to trend in the same direction

Edited by Cubchoo103, 13 May 2018 - 10:19 PM.

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13 May 2018 - 10:27 PM

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Frankie-Ashley

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  • Frankie-Ashley

dude its not pokemon who dictate price... there is a famous guide that randomly reduces prices of cards....  just dont hold certain cards and as soon as you get sell them fast


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13 May 2018 - 10:48 PM

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Cubchoo103

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  • Cubchoo103

dude its not pokemon who dictate price... there is a famous guide that randomly reduces prices of cards.... just dont hold certain cards and as soon as you get sell them fast

You didn't read more than 3 words did you?



First thing you said.. is literally a direct quote from my post (multiple times) so idk why you're telling me that like I don't know when I already said the EXACT same thing, basically word for word



That guide, has been around for years and arbitrarily cutting the price of every card in game has never been their m.o. also they do not have a override-all choke hold on the market, MANY top traders completely disregard them and EVERY buyer and seller effects a market, that's how economics work



The last line of your post, I also touched on.. and guess what, you're way off base.. like literally could not be further if you tried (factually)



Thanks for bringing absolutely nothing to the conversation, please actually read if you're going to respond

Edited by Cubchoo103, 13 May 2018 - 10:50 PM.

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14 May 2018 - 11:03 PM

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goodgoy

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  • goodgoy

It is because Guardians Rising (The primary trading currency) is more than 1.0 right now, but outcast refuses to raise its pack value for whatever reason. 

 

They also heavily underprice many of the older cards and this does have some effect on the market as well. Collectibles like FA Darkrai EX from Dark Explorers are 30 packs, while similar DEX FA EX pokemon are much much lower for some reason. 

 

The market price for an item is dependent on what the public perceives it to be, and outcast has made everyone believe the cards are low which leads to the cards actually becoming low. 


Edited by goodgoy, 14 May 2018 - 11:06 PM.

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14 May 2018 - 11:53 PM

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gunmetal

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It is because Guardians Rising (The primary trading currency) is more than 1.0 right now, but outcast refuses to raise its pack value for whatever reason. 
 
They also heavily underprice many of the older cards and this does have some effect on the market as well. Collectibles like FA Darkrai EX from Dark Explorers are 30 packs, while similar DEX FA EX pokemon are much much lower for some reason. 
 
The market price for an item is dependent on what the public perceives it to be, and outcast has made everyone believe the cards are low which leads to the cards actually becoming low.


Rarity. artwork. And playability. determine a cards value dex darkrai has beautiful artwork. its very hard to pull one from a dex pack. it comes from legacy pack which there are a limited amount of at any given time (rarity). Its used heavily in turbo darkrai decks for its decent attack 90 to the active 30 to the bench and its ability gives free retreat for pokes with dark energy attached (playability). Its the only EX card in dark explorers that's still playable in expanded. The others values got nerfed when the legacy tournaments were discontinued. Because legacy was the only place the other DEX EX pokemon had any value. In fact because of legacy tournaments discontinuation. all legacy pack values took a hit as well as EX's that did not have any real playability outside of legacy. Market forces determine value. Legacy tournaments discontinuation was a massive market force. September rotation putting cards from standard to expanded is a major market force. Coming September all packs from breakthrough to evolutions will rotate out of standard and fall into expanded format and bringing a end to the break evolution as well as the EX era which will have a major market force on any playable standard format EX's

 

[Edited : Please keep comments friendly and constructive, Thanks! - Mod_Turtle]


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18 May 2018 - 01:20 AM

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jyou9811

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  • jyou9811

What's wrong with this? Now it's easier to obtain previously sought-after, highly used cards. After all, isn't that the whole point of PTCGO?

 

I just got back into the game, so correct me if a core group of entities are purposefully/unintentionally manipulating prices in the short-term, but from what I see, it's making it easier to enter the game without busting coins/money/etc.


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