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05 May 2018 - 04:30 PM

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Eden2902

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  • Eden2902
Hi,

is it just me or do nearly all offers fail? On the known website where you can look values of your cards are nearly all cards fallen to 1-2 GRI packs. What happened? With the random boosters you can win is the chance to get valuable boosters very low.

For example I have the new Lucario in this golden edition but nobody wants to give more than 2 Prisma booster...

My second question is: how do you manage your tradeable boosters? Are you keep all you get or do you trade for example 3 prisma for 2 GRI to have just one "currency"? I am very interested in this :) For me, I wouldn't like to trade for one card 2 of this 3 of that and 4 of another card...

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05 May 2018 - 05:07 PM

#2

Frankie-Ashley

    Trainer

  • Frankie-Ashley

firstly theres a few reasons why values fall a lot... 1st reason is promos come out, the 2nd reason is a certain guide... lets call this [Edited by Mod_Jynthu]... 

And the guy that runs it says he follows market value now lets say he does.... i have a lele ex.. new card.. its worth 25 gri scamcast says... does bob want to pay 25 gri? no he does not he wants to pay 23 gri.... and it goes on from there lol

 

now i use gri mainly and i use the other packs to get cards worth 1 ish gri and cheaper packs as a filler or such but i only really sell for gri or i trade up dont know if that answers your question but hey ho haha


Edited by Mod_Jynthu, 04 June 2018 - 02:45 PM.
Evasion of filter

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05 May 2018 - 05:34 PM

#3

gunmetal

    Trainer

  • gunmetal

firstly theres a few reasons why values fall a lot... 1st reason is promos come out, the 2nd reason is a certain guide... lets call this [Edited by Mod_Jynthu]...
And the guy that runs it says he follows market value now lets say he does.... i have a lele ex.. new card.. its worth 25 gri scamcast says... does bob want to pay 25 gri? no he does not he wants to pay 23 gri.... and it goes on from there lol

now i use gri mainly and i use the other packs to get cards worth 1 ish gri and cheaper packs as a filler or such but i only really sell for gri or i trade up dont know if that answers your question but hey ho haha

First of all ou7cast guide is the average price AVERAGE of the value of certain cards over a period of time (and if you dont know the definition of average is suggests you look it up) and is pretty accurate except in some cases ( like its valuation of shining legends packs being equal to guardians rising packs that really infuriated me as I had 52 at the time) you don't have to except anyones idea of what the value of your cards are in a person to person trade if I say my lele is worth 24 guardian packs because that's its average valuation and you offer me 5 guard packs and a bunch of junk gx's because you think that's fare because gx=gx then I'm going to laugh you out. You can always set up your own in game trades within the games public trade system nobody is forcing you to except there offer


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05 May 2018 - 06:07 PM

#4

gunmetal

    Trainer

  • gunmetal

Hi,
is it just me or do nearly all offers fail? On the known website where you can look values of your cards are nearly all cards fallen to 1-2 GRI packs. What happened? With the random boosters you can win is the chance to get valuable boosters very low.
For example I have the new Lucario in this golden edition but nobody wants to give more than 2 Prisma booster...
My second question is: how do you manage your tradeable boosters? Are you keep all you get or do you trade for example 3 prisma for 2 GRI to have just one "currency"? I am very interested in this :) For me, I wouldn't like to trade for one card 2 of this 3 of that and 4 of another card...



First you can set up your own offer in game. players lowball offers in game to get valuable cards cheap from unsuspecting new players first look up your card in the public trades see how many are being offered by other players note the price they want for there copy then see how many are offering for your copy and use that to set up your offering price

So for your first question low card prices
Prices change for cards massively every September when what is called format rotation happens roughly four packs of a booster series will leave the standard format and move to the expanded format last year it was all of xy now coming this September its all of the break series every pack with a break evolution will likely rotate from breakthrough to evolutions leaving us with sun and moon onwards and the official end of the pokemon ex era. every year 4 new booster series are released and 4 are rotated from standard this keeps the game fresh and keeps it from becoming stale. This also has a major effect on prices because standard format is were its at its were you can get the most current up to date tradable valuable packs like guardians rising. Power creep is what happens when a new series is more powerful than the previous one (for instance ex vs gx) and also seriously effects prices because the old series cannot compete power wise

Second question how to manage your tradable boosters I personally convert them all into guardians packs and tapu leles for long term storage of value for when I want to buy new cards down the line and helps me to protect me form market value fluctuations how I do that is a trade secret of course that will only work until the 2019 September rotation happens that will remove tapu lele from the standard format and will force me to find other means of long term storage of value like fullart guzma or full art Cynthia

Edited by gunmetal, 05 May 2018 - 06:28 PM.

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06 May 2018 - 08:49 PM

#5

Frankie-Ashley

    Trainer

  • Frankie-Ashley

First of all ou7cast guide is the average price AVERAGE of the value of certain cards over a period of time (and if you dont know the definition of average is suggests you look it up) and is pretty accurate except in some cases ( like its valuation of shining legends packs being equal to guardians rising packs that really infuriated me as I had 52 at the time) you don't have to except anyones idea of what the value of your cards are in a person to person trade if I say my lele is worth 24 guardian packs because that's its average valuation and you offer me 5 guard packs and a bunch of junk gx's because you think that's fare because gx=gx then I'm going to laugh you out. You can always set up your own in game trades within the games public trade system nobody is forcing you to except there offer

 

i'm pretty sure i know what average is... but i'll look it up nonetheless...

 

you can set up your own trades i'm aware of that now too so thank you.

 

but you didn't really get the jist of my post... and if you read up on the guide he says he prices stuff based on market (not the average price)

 

my point was nobody wants to pay market value so they offer less and then he reduces the price of it and then nobody wants to pay that s offer less and then in the end the cards are worthless in a sense. 


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06 May 2018 - 09:24 PM

#6

RobRatt

    Elite Trainer

  • RobRatt

my point was nobody wants to pay market value so they offer less and then he reduces the price of it and then nobody wants to pay that s offer less and then in the end the cards are worthless in a sense. 

In the end, we're all chasing after simulated cards, with faux packs, following an imaginary market, in a virtual game, that may not even be here in another five years.

 

I've seen that a guide like Ou7c4st can make the game more fun, and trades fair, especially for newer players.  If someone can come up with a better, or alternate system to figure what these things are worth, I'd love to see it.  For now, we'll just keep grinding, trying to help others get their decks built, yeah?


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07 May 2018 - 12:33 PM

#7

Frankie-Ashley

    Trainer

  • Frankie-Ashley

absolutely ... but the point is still valid lol... i would make an unbiased guide but people would still use their go to guide having 2 guides would mean people would pick and choose haha


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07 May 2018 - 01:32 PM

#8

gunmetal

    Trainer

  • gunmetal

absolutely ... but the point is still valid lol... i would make an unbiased guide but people would still use their go to guide having 2 guides would mean people would pick and choose haha


No they would compare the two and players would then price there wares accordingly. more choices means more benefits for the consumer !
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07 May 2018 - 02:25 PM

#9

Loof6

    Senior Trainer

  • Loof6

my point was nobody wants to pay market value so they offer less and then he reduces the price of it and then nobody wants to pay that s offer less and then in the end the cards are worthless in a sense. 

 

On the other hand, nobody wants to sell their cards for less than the market price. So you have to offer more, this increases the market value. This and the effect you described counteracted. As a result, the mark value remains relatively constant, if no other effects such as a sudden or better playability act. So there is no reason for outcast to update their prices guide and remind: outcast is only a guide and not a constitution.


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08 May 2018 - 06:37 AM

#10

RobRatt

    Elite Trainer

  • RobRatt

absolutely ... but the point is still valid lol... i would make an unbiased guide but people would still use their go to guide having 2 guides would mean people would pick and choose haha

You've made some good points, and I get it.  But at the same time, I much prefer the stability, and prices being guesstimated from someone who doesn't "sell" cards.  There's only one Company right now, and it's better to have an independent opinion of value, in addition to our own research in-game.

 

When there were 4 or 5 trading companies, I got flamed a few times because I defended the need for them.  There was competition between owners/groups, and it was easy enough to price shop and compare with Public trading.  At that time, a few players argued that they were expensive, but couldn't grasp how crazy it would get if they didn't exist.

 

Right now, without Ou7c4st doing his best to follow price trends, I don't know how new players would get a handle on fair trades.  It would be the "wild, wild West" for too many.  At this moment, prices for the new set (FLI) haven't stabilized, and Public trading is absolutely crazy.  For example, I would say the new Greninja-GX is somewhere about 6.0 value (+/- 1).  Yet many traders are asking for much more, and there's no "price guide" to compare it with.

 

A couple examples of Greninja in Public Offers:

 

Greninja-GX for Ultra Necrozma-GX (approx. 10 of these up, not a good trade)

Greninja-GX for Tapu Lele-GX (need I explain?)

2 Greninja-GX for full-art Cynthia (not a trade I'd accept)

Greninja-GX for 2 Zoroark-GX (no thanks, I'll keep my Zoroarks)

 

Sometimes, these are anomalies from a dumb kid.  But it's this way all across the board, with most of the good cards from Forbidden Light.  Why?  The answer is obvious.  Because it's too early for the price guide.

 

You, I, and many others have been playing a few months, and know the game.  But the next time you go into a diatribe about "scamcast" (as you called it), please think how confusing this would be to newer players, whether they're looking for a card, or just trying to figure out a fair trade with their buddy.

 

If you have the means, and the time, I'd welcome a 2nd guide.  Or if there's a better plan, I'm sure others would too.


Edited by RobRatt, 08 May 2018 - 06:56 AM.

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09 May 2018 - 05:23 PM

#11

Princess_Aurora

    Veteran Trainer

  • Princess_Aurora

firstly theres a few reasons why values fall a lot... 1st reason is promos come out, the 2nd reason is a certain guide... lets call this [Edited by Mod_Jynthu]... 

And the guy that runs it says he follows market value now lets say he does.... i have a lele ex.. new card.. its worth 25 gri scamcast says... does bob want to pay 25 gri? no he does not he wants to pay 23 gri.... and it goes on from there lol

 

now i use gri mainly and i use the other packs to get cards worth 1 ish gri and cheaper packs as a filler or such but i only really sell for gri or i trade up dont know if that answers your question but hey ho haha

If "Scamcast" saved me from doing a lot of dumb trades, then imagine how perfect my trading system would be with something that you'll consider better.

 

Any sites that you bear in mind, hmm? 


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13 May 2018 - 12:32 AM

#12

abinhathbour456

    Elite Trainer

  • abinhathbour456

well I do agree with frankly you should be aware of all the prices by yourself you don't need to follow a price guide or anything to know that price guides are based on 1 person how  he or she value cards and trade for them but there is a reason why he is hated since he does not follow his own guide .


Edited by abinhathbour456, 13 May 2018 - 12:33 AM.

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13 May 2018 - 11:02 PM

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Cubchoo103

    Senior Trainer

  • Cubchoo103

well I do agree with frankly you should be aware of all the prices by yourself you don't need to follow a price guide or anything to know that price guides are based on 1 person how  he or she value cards and trade for them but there is a reason why he is hated since he does not follow his own guide .


I rarely ever use a price guide but that's a rediculous premise to expect every person in the game to be a PTCGO economics major and know the exact price (as of it were set in stone somewhere which as you even eluded to, it is not) of every single one of the 9,000+ cards in game (plus tons of gameplay and avatar items too)

The concept of a guide is quite simple to understand, it's not a walkthrough, a rule book, or a bible, it's just to give a baseline or ballpark IDEA of what you can expect to realistically buy and sell around, there's nothing wrong with one being availible and even if you have some disagreements with it, from what ive seen it is generally fairly accurate at giving price ESTIMATES which is beneficial to many players, keep in mind not everyone in the game has been religiously active for years like us

Anyone who is adamantly against price guides is mad that they are keeping them from taking advantage of new players, there's zero other logical explanation, none
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14 May 2018 - 07:23 PM

#14

Frankie-Ashley

    Trainer

  • Frankie-Ashley

You've made some good points, and I get it.  But at the same time, I much prefer the stability, and prices being guesstimated from someone who doesn't "sell" cards.  There's only one Company right now, and it's better to have an independent opinion of value, in addition to our own research in-game.

 

When there were 4 or 5 trading companies, I got flamed a few times because I defended the need for them.  There was competition between owners/groups, and it was easy enough to price shop and compare with Public trading.  At that time, a few players argued that they were expensive, but couldn't grasp how crazy it would get if they didn't exist.

 

Right now, without Ou7c4st doing his best to follow price trends, I don't know how new players would get a handle on fair trades.  It would be the "wild, wild West" for too many.  At this moment, prices for the new set (FLI) haven't stabilized, and Public trading is absolutely crazy.  For example, I would say the new Greninja-GX is somewhere about 6.0 value (+/- 1).  Yet many traders are asking for much more, and there's no "price guide" to compare it with.

 

A couple examples of Greninja in Public Offers:

 

Greninja-GX for Ultra Necrozma-GX (approx. 10 of these up, not a good trade)

Greninja-GX for Tapu Lele-GX (need I explain?)

2 Greninja-GX for full-art Cynthia (not a trade I'd accept)

Greninja-GX for 2 Zoroark-GX (no thanks, I'll keep my Zoroarks)

 

Sometimes, these are anomalies from a dumb kid.  But it's this way all across the board, with most of the good cards from Forbidden Light.  Why?  The answer is obvious.  Because it's too early for the price guide.

 

You, I, and many others have been playing a few months, and know the game.  But the next time you go into a diatribe about "scamcast" (as you called it), please think how confusing this would be to newer players, whether they're looking for a card, or just trying to figure out a fair trade with their buddy.

 

If you have the means, and the time, I'd welcome a 2nd guide.  Or if there's a better plan, I'm sure others would too.

i have multiple screen screenshots of scamcast selling their cards for double what their guide says so he does "sell" his cards...

 

but i dont hate the guide.. ive said it before i do use it on occasions and i do refer people to it if new...

 

my only dislike is the fact he just reduces prices of everything for no valid reason...

 

but i aint going back to into it all lol.


Edited by Frankie-Ashley, 14 May 2018 - 07:26 PM.

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04 June 2018 - 02:51 PM

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Mod_Jynthu

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