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[CARD] Guzma 115/147 - can play YET the player with a bench

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30 April 2018 - 09:54 PM



    Veteran Trainer

  • Bluefgs85
Massive issue with Guzma. The card is very inconsistent at start of the game if one player adds to their bench vs other player who sits on one card. The single card player can play Guzma YET the player with a bench can’t play it. It’s ridiculous because the card is designed to support attacking play yet it ends up doing the opposite.


Happy to discuss


Edited by Bluefgs85, 30 April 2018 - 09:54 PM.

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30 April 2018 - 10:22 PM



    Elite Trainer

  • RobRatt

I think we're kind of stuck with the official ruling.  But for the player with the Bench, isn't that why cards like Float Stone are common in most decks? ...to simply retreat, and save your Guzma for another turn?

Q. If I play "Guzma", who chooses which Pokemon to switch for each player?

A. You make all of those choices. (Burning Shadows FAQ; Aug 3, 2017 TPCi Rules Team)


Q. Can I play Guzma if my opponent doesn't have any Pokemon on their Bench?

A. No, you cannot. If the opponent doesn't have a bench there's no way to do the second part of the trainer, and you cannot play a Trainer card for no effect. (Aug 31, 2017 TPCi Rules Team)

P.S.  It is frustrating if you get a bad start.  JSYK, any "down votes" didn't come from me.  I don't do that, even if my opinion differs, unless the person is being difficult for no reason.

Edited by RobRatt, 01 May 2018 - 01:24 AM.

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01 May 2018 - 01:14 AM



    Elite Trainer

  • BowserLuigi
To put it simply...

Step 1: If opponent has a bench, set guzma.succeed = true. Otherwise set to false and the card cannot be played. Switch your opponent's active.

Step 2: Switch your active, only if guzma.succeed = true.

If your opponent doesn't have a bench to switch to, step 2 does not happen, and thus you cannot switch either. But if you don't have a bench, but your opponent does, you can go through step 1 and force your opponent to switch, and when you come to step 2 there's nothing for you to switch to, thus you don't need to switch.

The important thing is that your opponent HAS to have bench pokemon for Guzma to be played.

Edited by BowserLuigi, 01 May 2018 - 01:17 AM.

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01 May 2018 - 09:50 AM




  • Mod_Rowan

Hello Bluefgs85,


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01 May 2018 - 10:03 AM



    Veteran Trainer

  • Bluefgs85

ok thanks :-)

What does that mean?



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06 May 2018 - 09:32 PM




  • SingingFlyEx

“Switch 1 of your opponent's Benched Pokémon with their Active Pokémon. If you do, [...].”

If you don't → no effect → can't play the card.

Mod_Rowan's answer means nothing will happen.

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