Hi everybody, wow, so many things! Not sure what was said in which thread, I'll reply here.
1. We don't know much. Business secrets. So it's easy to overinterpret and difficult to offer constructive suggestions.
2. We do know that the changes ARE liked by at least some users. Yes, there WERE some positive feedbacks on the subreddit. It's not constructive to ignore this. We just don't know the whole picture.
I'm in this game just as much as my kid is. He was disappointed with the missing promo bundles. We don't know why those were ditched. Streamlining the game really? If that were true then it would really just be three guys holding the fort at the back-end and interface (plus lots of guys at design/animation/support). So the best I can do is just to uppercase WE WANT PROMO BUNDLES BACK a few times.
But my son wasn't disappointed for long, because there's lots of tokens to buy lots of theme decks. If he's representative of the player base, then it's a good update overall.
Any update that would make most daily challenges achievable with theme decks (rather than mostly water and dragon types challenges) would be a GREAT update for him. And for me too, because it was really painful to see him grind that 16 K.O. lightning challenge with inefficient decks (and I just had to do most of it myself over a few evenings). In hindsight, showing him how old packs can be traded for GX's he values was a dubious move. He was so happy with his FA Kommo-o. He wanted more. I'm not sure he'll be able to pilot the competitive decks I'm in the process of building for him. Fortunately he's currently back to trainer challenges. 4 games for a pack is still good even if pulls are not that good.
Any update that would let him VS play all the old theme decks with some reasonable win rate would be great too.
We've yet to play and win a tournament together. He'll be very happy to trade his old packs (or chest) for useless cards he wants. (The know-how is just an internet search away, but I'm guessing we're a minority here, or how would a FA Kommo-o or Incineroar be so cheap?)
Note: by contrast, when he pulled an ace spec computer search from the VS ladder packs, he just kinda did his best to respectfully share my excitement. Comp. Search is obviously a lot less valuable than a FA Kommo-o
3. As a parent I'm VERY WARY of how PTCGO moves. My hard facts are
( a ) My kid is very attached to the TCG in general, with a growing investment into PTCGO, and all of that is currently worth the money spent. Reading, computing, planning ahead in games... It's really fun to see him complain about the 10 mn homework that has to be done, then volunteer non-stop for an hour for daddy's math exercises because they're worth 1 card each.
( b ) Kids shouldn't be betrayed.
( c ) Some adult users were emotionally attached to some features of the game and felt betrayed after said features were removed with no warning whatsoever. I'm also unsure about the compromised accounts issue.
I can do with a ~2 month warning. I can't risk a sudden betrayal for my kid. He's both more involved than the average involved kid of his age and more sensitive to betrayal. So it's a good update because my kid wasn't hurt and it woke me up. I must make sure that ptcgo never grows up too big in his life, because I can't rely on ptcgo staying mostly the same. It can only supplement real life tcg activities.
Thank you all for all your thoughts, it helped me sort out mine.
We, don't share the same feeling.
Nobody said it's nothing good in changes. There are good things. But the good things don't make up the removed contents.
Bring back all Theme decks? Good, why not. But... what if you already had all of them (but the HGSS ones)? Nothing good then. And more... you could get any of the XY theme decks just getting the codes IRL let's say 1$ each? Maybe 3$? So being a good thing, still nothing huge for the game or impossible to get before.
Bring more tokens and tickets on daily login, ladder and tournaments? Awesome! But what can you do with it? Go to tournaments to win packs that nobody wants to trade and pull cards that everyone already have because they are from previous sets.
The PTCGO works getting the new cards, every 3 months they release a new set, tons of IRL money are spent to get the new stars for the collections or the Meta decks. And trade for that new things is what moves the game. Not having last packs as rewards means not so much people pulling interesting cards, so less amount of interesting cards in trades and also overpriced as for the demand. In addition you will have to trade with packs nobody wants so still harder. This all together, doesn't helps not only the players, but the game itself.
What to do with so much tokens once you already have all the Theme decks and there are no bundles in shop? Buy locked packs? No one likes locked cards. They are there, they are for free, but there's a bunch of threads with awesome ideas about what to do with your 132 locked Magikarp. Personally, I don't have any problem with that. I understand that they are for free and also a control over the locked cards is needed to avoid multi-accounts making huge profit from what was freely rewarded to you. I'm good with how it is now. But still is ridiculous to have 100 copies of whatever, laying there for nothing. And once you've consumed enough locked packs from the set you like, you'll see nothing you pull worth anymore because you'll have more than 4 of everything. And what to do with those extra GX if they're locked? Nothing. And game ends.
A bad new about make most daily challenges achievable with theme decks... this will be hard. Theme decks are inefficient by themselves. Mach strike and Imperial command are ruling with a rod of iron. Far from, evolve 10 of any type of pokémon, will be a hard time through dozens of games to KO 16 pokémon with a different type from water and dragon. Do 1000 damage with Fairy will be a little nightmare through 6, 7, 8 lost games against the Ultra Prism theme decks. So if the come back of all theme decks was good for collecting, they don't provide nothing to playability, until new powerful decks from new set, with different types, will arrive. And this was going to happen without the present changes.
Also you'll notice that, most of the B/W and HGSS are hard to play even against the Trainer's challenge AI. So while again, we like to have available all theme decks, more than 50 of them doesn't bring nothing to celebrate to the present game, but collecting if you didn't had it yet.
While I admire the education you're giving and how you use pokémon with your kid, and for sure a lot of parents use it in one or other way to teach and entertain their kids, the PTCGO comes from the PTCG IRL where there are, World championships with huge rewards. And PTCGO is THE PLACE where top players test everything in a cheap and wide way. They can get a big amount of cards to easy try new decks, change a pair of a deck and test it again through a lot of games against a wide range of different, competitive and non competitive decks of all types. And then spend IRL money on the cards they miss to build their going to IRL events.And this helps the game.
For the people that is new, or is happy using the game to spend time with their kids, or are just happy playing Theme, doing Daily challenges and Trainer challenge, I doubt any change could be bad. But for the rest of players, those who enjoyed Legacy because it's their era, or do like to collect up to the last card from the game, promos included, or want to build competitive decks with Lele, Zoroark and Buzzwole GXs, and they won't be aware of the presence of Kommo-o GX since it will be the main character of a running to Worlds deck, the changes are not good.
Yes, we all like the things they added, or they're going to add. But they could have made it without removing anything. They could! And then all, every type of casual, collector and competitive player, would have been happy with the changes.
So I agree with your 'hard facts'. I'm happy the changes didn't came with a lot of trouble to you. That you realized in advance that too much involvement could be fatal in one or other grade, and luckily it hadn't been fatal right now. And I agree that the good things they brought, are good. They are. But you're missing all the other point of views, the collectors, the competitive players, the ones that feel like kids because B/W and HGSS was the childhood. For all of them, they've been betrayed.
WE WANT LEGACY TOURNAMENTS BACK !!! If you also want it, show your support http://forums.pokemontcg.com/topic/55966-feedback-making-it-easier-to-get-the-cards-you-want/
My 1st pokémon VGame http://forums.pokemontcg.com/topic/59894-my-1st-pok%C3%A9mon-videogame-nds-diamond-story-and-help/
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